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Old 11-07-2018, 12:28 PM
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I don't follow contracts much, but top FA players who have worked out for their new teams seem rare. Brees and Manning worked out well. Freeney had some good years elsewhere, but for less money. Randy Moss worked out well for the Cheats. Incognito worked out, too. I can't think of any others. Maybe someone else can.
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Old 11-07-2018, 12:35 PM
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Jesus people. We are all over Chanaís ass cause he found an article that says the Colts did a good job at something? Because the final decision (I assume we evaluate and make decisions involving coaches scouts financial guys etc) is Ballardís? We spent very little money and got good return so far. We made what are apparently good decisions. What is not to like?
I am glad he brought up the article. I just think it is a dumb article
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Old 11-07-2018, 01:27 PM
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I don't follow contracts much, but top FA players who have worked out for their new teams seem rare. Brees and Manning worked out well. Freeney had some good years elsewhere, but for less money. Randy Moss worked out well for the Cheats. Incognito worked out, too. I can't think of any others. Maybe someone else can.
The more you pay for any player, the less likely that player is to be a "value". J.J. Watt, for example, is not a "bargain" as one of the highest paid players in the NFL. But he is still productive and worth his contract.

Sadly, for FA mega deals that have worked out, at least recently, the Jaguars are a good example. A good chunk of their defense was either traded for and extended or signed as UFAs (Calais Campbell, Malik Jackson, Marcell Dareus, A.J. Bouye, Tashaun Gipson, Barry Church), and that defense was dominant last year.

That said, I think the best way to approach free agency in a typical year is essentially how Ballard approached it this year. Identify guys that your scouts like that have for one reason or another not worked out with their original team and are potential "buy low" candidates (Ebron) and otherwise plug holes with stopgaps (Slauson, Grant, Autry). As Chaka mentioned, I liked John Brown as a buy low type of player, and since this wasn't a typical year for the Colts in terms of cap space, I thought/hoped they could attract some of the bigger names.
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Old 11-07-2018, 01:35 PM
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So he only counts if a few people on here were clamoring for him to be signed? Whatever to you, dude. He was out there and available but the Colts didn't even kick the tires on him. The Colts don't need our permission. You asked in another thread for examples of who should've been targeted--there's one. Again, the article is skewed toward giving high marks for a low cost signing so of course the Colts will be at or near the top of such a ranking.
You missed the point of my post Ė please go back and read it again. I was listing the free agents that I recalled Colts fans hoping we would sign. No doubt there were others that, in retrospect, would have been good for usĖ but itís not like I was trying to say the Colts signed the only free agents that could help.

With regard to your statement that itís easier to find good value in ďbargain basement low risk contractsĒ, I agree with you. Isnít that basically the conclusion to be drawn from the article (assuming you agree with the authorís analysis)? You get a lot more bang for your buck at the lower end of the spectrum.

While Iím fairly certain youíll respond by saying something like, ďbut you canít get impact players that wayĒ, I donít really agree and it probably depends on what you mean by ďimpact playersĒ. The truth is, as last seasonís free agency class will readily demonstrate, itís tough to get All-Pro players in free agency even when you spend through the nose to do so. Very few of the high end free agents have played up to their contracts, and in most cases Iím guessing the teams that signed them arenít pleased with their investments. However, you certainly can get people who make a positive ďimpactĒ on the team via a low or mid-tier signing like Eric Ebron. Thatís exactly what I take from the article. Do you agree with it? If not, why not?
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Chaka when he finds an article praising something Ballard did:

Crude but funny nevertheless. Jim Henson is rolling over in his grave.

Call me a homer if it makes you feel better, but Iím not saying anything unrealistic and it all has plenty of factual support. I assume thatís why you respond in this way, rather than addressing the facts and information Iíve presented.
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Old 11-07-2018, 01:57 PM
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Amen!

However, we could have done more, which would make some happy at the time of the signing, but then possibly suffer from buyer's remorse when the signing blew up.

Something about high dollar free agents not working out well for the new teams. Maybe they became complacent by finally signing the big contract. Maybe they fit the old scheme better. Maybe they played well beside someone who masked their deficiencies. I don't know, but often they do not pan out. The lower contract guys have to try to earn more in their next contract, so maybe they work a little harder?
Thatís an excellent observation Racehorse, and I think thereís a lot of truth to it. My guess is that there are a variety of reasons high-end free agents so rarely live up to their contracts: (1) they are often changing schemes and football players are not plug-and-play types whose skills translate exactly to a new team, (2) the player was overrated coming into free agency, which is why they werenít signed by their former team Ė who was in the best position to gauge their talent level - to begin with, and (3) if they were driven to excel by the hope of financial gain, this drive is now extinguished by their large contract.
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Crude but funny nevertheless. Jim Henson is rolling over in his grave.

Call me a homer if it makes you feel better, but Iím not saying anything unrealistic and it all has plenty of factual support. I assume thatís why you respond in this way, rather than addressing the facts and information Iíve presented.
I don't disagree that Ballard has made some good signings. I just notice that you like talking at length about them, and Ballard in general, more than most.
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I am glad he brought up the article. I just think it is a dumb article
Maybe, but it does have the redeeming value of talking nice about the Colts. That alone elevates it above dumb in my opinion
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