so Donald Trump

[Mr. Session]

Originally Posted by nate505

The reason it's difficult to mask someone hammered vs someone stoned is the fact that someone hammered is typically more impaired than the stoned person. It's pretty hard to mask someone stoned to the point they can't function well either.

To put it another way, if someone has like 2-3 beers or whatever and they have a BAC of, say, 0.08 or so they are impaired but enough to mask it. If they drank the whole 12 pack and their BAC is at, say, 0.16 or whatever it becomes more difficult. Same with weed, though there isn't as precise a test to measure active THC levels as opposed to BAC.

While both drugs can have negative effects on a person, I struggle to see how an objective person can say that they are equal. Alcohol is a CNS depressant, and by its nature it makes it impairs motor function. It's why drunk driving is so dangerous compared to almost any other drug. It's hard to operate machinery when your own machinery doesn't operate well.

From a more anecdotal POV, alcohol tends to bring out the violence in people I almost never see with weed. I think most people agree with that. I mean, look at the Parry thread. "He stole a golf cart and punched a guy? What the fuck is his problem? Oh, he was drunk? That explains it."

On your general point (I think) I agree that both need to be regulated.

He admitted his experience with/knowledge of the drug is minimal. A lot people who have not been around it very much may feel the same way.

I don't think that warrants a debate in this thread, but I will say that alcohol has been one of the main factors in some of the most violent things I have ever witnessed in life.

[Pez]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

why are you anti union? this country needs some strong unions again. corporations have kept pay down for way too long. benefits are eroding.

Probably anecdotal more than anything. When I was a kid my dad lost two jobs because of closed shop union type stuff.

I guess I'm not really anti-union as much as I am against the labor union infrastructure that surrounds large unions like the AFL-CIO etc... union leaders make tons of cash while doing a questionable job representing their members. Members who are often those in most need of representation.

I agree with you that wage growth and benefit have become stagnant, but I am not that our current labor unions are doing much to fix that.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Pez

Probably anecdotal more than anything. When I was a kid my dad lost two jobs because of closed shop union type stuff.

I guess I'm not really anti-union as much as I am against the labor union infrastructure that surrounds large unions like the AFL-CIO etc... union leaders make tons of cash while doing a questionable job representing their members. Members who are often those in most need of representation.

I agree with you that wage growth and benefit have become stagnant, but I am not that our current labor unions are doing much to fix that.

what labor unions?

there isn't much left. there are some really good strong unions out there. driving pay up and still bidding work at a very competitive wage so that the customer is still getting good pricing.

[Puck]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

what labor unions?

there isn't much left. there are some really good strong unions out there. driving pay up and still bidding work at a very competitive wage so that the customer is still getting good pricing.

Are you the one that uses the shovel or are you one of the 3 that is just there to lean on the shovel?

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Puck

Are you the one that uses the shovel or are you one of the 3 that is just there to lean on the shovel?

i have never been in a union. but i have been around a lot of them and that is not how shit is done.

now government workers, absolutely are like that

[Pez]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

what labor unions?

there isn't much left. there are some really good strong unions out there. driving pay up and still bidding work at a very competitive wage so that the customer is still getting good pricing.

one was the BCTGM, I dont remember the other, it was 35 years ago. My dad made bread and cake for Dolly Madison, which later became interstate brands, which eventually bought hostess...

He started in sanitation and then got axed because the plant became a closed shop and he refused to pay union dues. He was hired again in maintenance and got axed over some weird seniority thing, I was young at the time and don't remember all the details.

[Puck]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

i have never been in a union. but i have been around a lot of them and that is not how shit is done.

now government workers, absolutely are like that

of course you're not in a union... they don't have unions for unemployed street beggars

[omahacolt]

so yeah.

this dude is still a piece of shit

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

so yeah.

this dude is still a piece of shit

In other news, water is wet.

[Chromeburn]

So, I just couldn't see what others saw in Trump. All I saw was a blowhard used car salesman and extreme narcissist. He seemed really under qualified for the job. He just talked louder and insulted more than everyone else. I can understand wanting an outsider to come in and shake up Washington, but this guy seemed crazy to me. I still don't get it and now the guy legitimately seems dangerous. Getting in a staring contest with North Korea could wind up killing millions of people. They can level Seoul, Toyko, Osaka in a day. I don't know, they guy seemed crazy, impulsive and reckless and still seems that way.