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Old 04-05-2018, 02:35 PM
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Multiplying picks is great but dropping that low will take us out of the running for a lot of very good players in this draft. We need difference-makers on this roster.
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Old 04-05-2018, 02:52 PM
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Pics 11 and 42 have a value of 1730 on the Jimmy Johnson chart. Pick 6 is worth 1600 points. So technically Colts would win that trade, but for me that wouldn’t be enough. Their 3rd round pic is #73 and has a value of 225. What in the world could be offered that didn’t include 11 I don’t know. If Ballard trades it for primarily future picks I may loose my mind. Hopefully this is a smoke screen to push Buffalo to sweeten the pot. 11 & 42 and a future 1 would interest me. Short of that I think I’d rather hold out for a better deal from Buffalo or make the pick at 6.
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Multiplying picks is great but dropping that low will take us out of the running for a lot of very good players in this draft. We need difference-makers on this roster.
I certainly hope that this is Kiper BULLSHIT!! We need AT LEAST one difference maker from this draft, not just starters. Moving down again lessens that from happening.

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I would actually like a few more picks in the 3rd 4th and 5th. There are some good players lower in this draft. But at 11 we could see Roquan Smith there, maybe Fitzpatrick, Derwin James, Vita Vea, Denzel Ward, McGlinchy, Harold Landy, Isiah Wynn. So there should be some players there. If we are targeting Landry or Ward that seems like a good spot to take them.

We need at least a starting CB, WR, LB in this draft.
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I certainly hope that this is Kiper BULLSHIT!! We need AT LEAST one difference maker from this draft, not just starters. Moving down again lessens that from happening.
I think Ballard’s insistance on building almost exclusively thru the draft means he almost has to take a volume approach. There are simply way to many holes to fill using the standard 7 pics. Right now he has to sacrifice quality for quantity. I don’t agree with it, but I will not at all be surprised by it.

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Did anyone hear this first hand? Anyone heard of this "Jacob Michaels" who left the original post?

I'm fairly suspicious of this info for a few reasons: (1) I think anyone trading up from 11 to get a QB will need to be prepared to pay a lot to do so - something like two 1sts and some change, and (2) even if the Dolphins were interested in making such a move, why would they be doing it now - long before the draft and with the potential to be left with egg on their face if none of the top QBs (much less Mayfield specifically) aren't available at 6? They'd be setting themselves up for disaster. Any number of teams could try to trade up to a higher slot and snatch the players away, leaving the Dolphins GM to look like an idiot.

If anything like this went down, I'd expect it to happen only after the dust has settled and the Colts are on the clock. If the trade went down now, the Colts would presumably have to accept less because they'd be trading a pick which won't guarantee Miami the player they supposedly want (Mayfield) and maybe no QB at all. This would also tell me that Ballard REALLY isn't enamored with any of the players at the top of this draft.

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the Buffalo trade always seemed to me more likely to happen with the Giants--if I'm the Bills GM and I'm giving away #12 and #22, I'm a lot more inclined to do it for #2 than for #6

one "equal value" trade with the Dolphins could be #6, #67 and #104 for #11, #42 and #73. That would likely leave the Colts still having a shot at one of the 7 best non-QBs in the draft, and moving from #67 and #104 up to #42 and #73.
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Did anyone hear this first hand? Anyone heard of this "Jacob Michaels" who left the original post?

I'm fairly suspicious of this info for a few reasons: (1) I think anyone trading up from 11 to get a QB will need to be prepared to pay a lot to do so - something like two 1sts and some change, and (2) even if the Dolphins were interested in making such a move, why would they be doing it now - long before the draft and with the potential to be left with egg on their face if none of the top QBs (much less Mayfield specifically) aren't available at 6? They'd be setting themselves up for disaster. Any number of teams could try to trade up to a higher slot and snatch the players away, leaving the Dolphins GM to look like an idiot.

If anything like this went down, I'd expect it to happen only after the dust has settled and the Colts are on the clock. If the trade went down now, the Colts would presumably have to accept less because they'd be trading a pick which won't guarantee Miami the player they supposedly want (Mayfield) and maybe no QB at all. This would also tell me that Ballard REALLY isn't enamored with any of the players at the top of this draft.
I can’t find any confirmation on this from anywhere. I see some twitter chatter about it, but it’s all from unknowns and no source - probably this guys tweet. I found a tweet from Draft Talk saying the rumor about Miami not giving up 11 is not true, but doesn’t address the rest. And I don’t know how reputable they are.

I can’t imagine them not giving up 11. That has to be false. I hope. The rest doesn’t surprise me. I think Ballard would prefer volume in this draft. And he pressed the Jets to seal the deal way before the draft. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him pushing the same now. He doesn’t care who is there at 6, he wants more picks. The dolphins care who is there so I could see him pushing them to do it now or never. Like you said, the return just doesn’t seem enough though. Their 1,2,3 and a next years 2? You’d have to consider it. Or he could be pushing Buffalo.

It’s entirely possible the teams in the top 5 don’t want to deal. We here conflicting reports on the Giants, but I could definitely see Cleveland and Denver staying put to get one of the elite non QBs. That would be great for Ballard.
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the Buffalo trade always seemed to me more likely to happen with the Giants--if I'm the Bills GM and I'm giving away #12 and #22, I'm a lot more inclined to do it for #2 than for #6

one "equal value" trade with the Dolphins could be #6, #67 and #104 for #11, #42 and #73. That would likely leave the Colts still having a shot at one of the 7 best non-QBs in the draft, and moving from #67 and #104 up to #42 and #73.
I’d guess Ballard wants additional picks more than he wants to improve the quality of his existing pics. Moving pics from rounds 5, 6, and 7 up into rounds 2, 3, and maybe 4 might work. But I think his goal is to get as many chances as he can in rounds 1, 2, and 3 where you have a better chance of acquiring starter level talent.
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I call bullshit, on this rumor.
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