Jaff's stupid shit

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by Lov2fish

To many in DC swear an oath to a document they know nothing about. People can like, or dislike Pence Certifying the election results. Pence did what the constitution requires of him. He did not cheat anyone, he done his job as prescribed by law.

My point was Quayle coundnt spell, but he was Pence’s source on his constitutional law. I agree with your comment, Pence was a big part of preserving the Republic

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by JAFF

My point was Quayle coundnt spell, but he was Pence’s source on his constitutional law. I agree with your comment, Pence was a big part of preserving the Republic

Quayle was a lot smarter than he was given credit for. His biggest issue was inexperience. Had he waited a few years, his story might have ended a lot better.

[JAFF]

Donald Trump found liable for wide-scale fraud ahead of a trial in NY attorney general’s $250M lawsuit

https://www.nydailynews.com/2023/09/...letitia-james/

A Manhattan judge found Donald Trump liable for wide-scale fraud Tuesday for lying about his net worth and stripped him of his New York business licenses in a stunning setback for the former president on the eve of state Attorney General Tish James’ sweeping case against his family real estate empire.

In a 35-page order, State Supreme Court Judge Arthur Engoron ruled on James’ top fraud claim, finding that Trump, his sons, Eric and Don Jr., and multiple Trump Organization executives lied about the value of such assets as skyscrapers and golf courses for a decade and repeatedly used those fake figures in business transactions.

In another devastating development for Trump, the judge canceled his and his co-defendants New York business certificates and gave them 10 days to find an independent receiver to oversee their dissolution.

The ruling means the upcoming trial starting Monday – previously estimated to run three months – will be dramatically shortened. Engoron is expected to hear final pretrial arguments on Wednesday.


Trump’s lawyers did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Engoron denied their motion to toss the whole case.

The AG ‘s office declined to comment. James’ office began investigating the case more than three years ago.

Trump last month brought proceedings against the judge and James in the First Dept. Court of Appeals seeking to delay the case, which the panel is expected to rule on this week. The AG has described Trump’s petition as a “brazen and meritless” attempt to evade accountability and undermine Engoron.

James’ lawsuit seeks to bar the Trumps from serving as head of New York-licensed businesses or doing business deals and taking out loans for five years.

[omahacolt]

shocking

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by JAFF

Quayle knew enough about the Constitution, telling Pence he couldn't accept fake documents from fake electors.

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Good for him ...... but since you started a thread in regard to Trump warning of the possibility of World War II breaking out, and especially since you facetiously quoted the famous Animal House spoof in regard to the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor, pointing out Dan Quayle's infamous gaffe in regard to spelling is about as appropriate as can be.

o

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

o


Good for him ...... but since you started a thread in regard to Trump warning of the possibility of World War II breaking out, and especially since you facetiously quoted the famous Animal House spoof in regard to the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor, pointing out Dan Quayle's infamous gaffe in regard to spelling is about as appropriate as can be.

o

My apologies.

[JAFF]

Donald Trump's lawyers ask judge to clarify fraud ruling’s impact on ex-president's business

NEW YORK (AP) — Does a judge’s fraud finding spell the end of Donald Trump ’s real estate empire? The former president seems to think so. He decried Tuesday’s ruling, which shifts control of some of his companies to a court-appointed receiver, as the “KILL TRUMP” decision.

But the judge himself isn't so sure, telling Trump's lawyers at a hearing Wednesday that he isn't ready to discuss what the ruling — which strips Trump’s entities of their New York-issued business licenses — will mean for his company and the marquee properties bearing his name.

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Judge Arthur Engoron, who will preside over a non-jury trial next week on issues remaining in New York Attorney General Letitia James’ civil lawsuit against Trump, acknowledged that the “contours of the case (have) changed significantly," but declined to elaborate on the real-world impacts of his fraud finding.

FILE —Trump Tower is shown in this photo, in New York, March 21, 2023. New York Judge Arthur Engoron, ruling in a civil lawsuit brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James, found that Trump and his company deceived banks, insurers and others by massively overvaluing his assets and exaggerating his net worth on paperwork used in making deals and securing loans. (AP Photo/Seth Wenig, File)
FILE —Trump Tower is shown in this photo, in New York, March 21, 2023. New York Judge Arthur Engoron, ruling in a civil lawsuit brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James, found that Trump and his company deceived banks, insurers and others by massively overvaluing his assets and exaggerating his net worth on paperwork used in making deals and securing loans. (AP Photo/Seth Wenig, File)
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Engoron, in a blistering 35-page opinion Tuesday, found that Trump and his company, the Trump Organization, routinely deceived banks, insurers and others by massively overvaluing his assets and exaggerating his net worth on paperwork used in making deals and securing loans.

Trump’s lawyers said they would appeal Engoron’s decision. In a post Wednesday on his Truth Social platform, Trump said: “I have a Deranged, Trump Hating Judge, who RAILROADED this FAKE CASE through a NYS Court at a speed never before seen.”

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Trump lawyer Christopher Kise pressed Engoron to clarify whether his ruling meant the 2024 Republican front-runner would be required simply to close up some corporate entities or if he'd be forced to relinquish some of his most prized assets, as Trump and his allies suggested in their reactions.

FILE - An aerial view of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate is seen Aug. 10, 2022, in Palm Beach, Fla. New York Judge Arthur Engoron, ruling in a civil lawsuit brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James, found that Trump and his company deceived banks, insurers and others by massively overvaluing his assets and exaggerating his net worth on paperwork used in making deals and securing loans. (AP Photo/Steve Helber, File)
FILE - An aerial view of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate is seen Aug. 10, 2022, in Palm Beach, Fla. New York Judge Arthur Engoron, ruling in a civil lawsuit brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James, found that Trump and his company deceived banks, insurers and others by massively overvaluing his assets and exaggerating his net worth on paperwork used in making deals and securing loans. (AP Photo/Steve Helber, File)
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As he quizzed the judge, Kise noted that some of the Trump entities being stripped of their business licenses own properties such as Trump Tower and an office building at 40 Wall Street, both in Manhattan.

“Is it the court’s position that those assets are now going to be sold or just going to be managed under the direction of the (receiver)?” Kise asked.

Engoron turned to speak with his principal law clerk, Allison Greenfield, sitting by his side at the bench, before returning to the microphone a few minutes later.

“I’m not prepared to issue a ruling right now but we will take that up in various contexts, I’m sure," Engoron said.

Kise also raised concerns about the scope of the ruling, noting that some limited liability corporations controlled by Trump and other defendants were used to purchase private homes, not skyscrapers or other commercial properties.

“Because they’re owned through LLCs at least under a technical reading of the statute or the order, then those entities would be surrendering their (business) certificates even though they technically don’t have any connection to the proceedings?” Kise said.

Engoron appeared open to working out a compromise on that issue, but did not commit to a specific resolution. Instead, he extended the deadline for the sides to suggest potential receivers to 30 days after saying in his ruling that he wanted names in 10 days.

After the hearing, Kise said he was confident they would get answers eventually, once Engoron appoints a receiver and they start to discuss the parameters of the ruling.

Kise suggested that Barbara Jones, the retired federal judge who's been overseeing the Trump Organization’s operations as a court-appointed monitor in the case, also be named as the receiver because she's already familiar with the company’s inner workings.

Engoron’s ruling, in a phase of the case known as summary judgment, resolved the key claim in James’ lawsuit, but several others remain. He is to decide on those claims and James’ request for $250 million in penalties at a trial starting Oct. 2, though Trump’s lawyers have asked an appeals court for a delay. A ruling is expected Thursday.

Kise raised the possibility of canceling the trial altogether since Engoron had already ruled on the biggest issue, asking: “What’s the point?”

Kevin Wallace, senior enforcement counsel in James' office, said the trial would allow them to pursue conspiracy allegations and introduce evidence that could bolster their case for the full monetary penalty, which James' has said was the estimated worth of benefits derived from the alleged fraud.

Engoron reiterated Wednesday his suggestion that the trial might take three months. James’ office named Trump, his two eldest sons and other Trump Organization executives among 57 potential witnesses on a preliminary list filed in the case on Sept. 8.

Among the findings in Engoron's decision Tuesday was that Trump lied about the size of his Manhattan apartment, claiming his three-story Trump Tower penthouse was nearly three times its actual size and valuing it at $327 million.

Engoron, echoing allegations in James’ lawsuit, also found that Trump consistently overvalued his Mar-a-Lago estate, inflating its value on one financial statement by as much as 2,300%.

In a Truth Social post, Trump remained committed to his lofty Mar-a-Lago price tags, arguing that the “MOST SPECTACULAR PROPERTY” in Palm Beach, Florida, could be worth as much as $1.8 billion. That would far exceed even the highest value he listed for Mar-a-Lago on his financial statements, $739 million in 2018.

Engoron, he wrote, “made up this crazy ‘KILL TRUMP’ decision, assigning insanely low values to properties, despite overwhelming evidence.”

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[JAFF]

Trump New York fraud trial cleared to start Monday after appeals panel ruling

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/28/trum...el-ruling.html

They will call him to testify and he will plead the fifth.

[JAFF]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...5c81f269&ei=47

A New York appeals court ruled Thursday that Donald Trump’s trial on civil-fraud allegations will begin next week as scheduled, handing the former president a loss on his Hail Mary bid to delay the proceedings.

[JAFF]

A band of malcontents refuses to support funding bills while accomplishing nothing.
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The old saw is that faculty politics are so bitter because the stakes are so low. The same principle now seems to hold sway in the U.S. House of Representatives, which is on the verge of shutting down the U.S. government in order to achieve—nothing at all.


Funding for the government runs out at the end of the fiscal year at midnight Saturday, and a handful of House backbenchers have refused to vote for bills to keep it open. On Friday they blocked a bill that would have kept it open for a month while also reducing spending, fortifying border security, and creating a bipartisan fiscal commission.

This stopgap bill would have failed in the Senate in any case. And a Senate bill to keep the government open for 47 days with $12 billion for disaster relief and aid for Ukraine also can’t pass the House without Democratic votes. But the GOP malcontents promise to oust Speaker Kevin McCarthy if he passes something with Democrats. Bluto and the Faber College boys in “Animal House” couldn’t have come up with a more stupid and futile political gesture as this looming shutdown.

The responsibility lies with the likes of Florida’s Matt Gaetz and Arizona’s Andy Biggs, who seem to want a shutdown as a show of political manhood. They certainly won’t end up cutting any spending, and a shutdown will probably result in more. Republicans control only the House, so a bipartisan agreement is inevitable to fund the government.

But this isn’t really about policy at all. If it were, House Republicans would have passed the 12 annual spending bills that they could then negotiate with the Senate. It’s their only chance to get something past President Biden’s veto pen. Yet until this week the same Republicans calling for “regular order” in appropriations and who slam continuing resolutions were blocking spending bills out of pique.

The real goal of the malcontents seems to be to topple Mr. McCarthy for personal spite. If Mr. McCarthy is forced to seek Democratic House votes, the Democratic price will be even more spending. Then the Gaetz Republicans will call for a motion to vacate the chair, and Mr. McCarthy could lose his speakership.

But then what? What suicidal imperative would cause anyone else to sign up to be Speaker? At this point it’s like volunteering to be the next wife of King Henry VIII. The result is unlikely to be different.

It’s a shame that a handful of holdouts are able to hold the entire GOP House hostage. Most House Republicans came to Washington to check Democratic spending and achieve what else may be possible in divided government. They put a ceiling on spending in the debt-ceiling deal this year, but they risk giving that back with the shutdown stunt.

It’s all so pointlessly stupid, with failure foreordained. Their constituents wanted conservative policies, but the Gaetz Republicans are playing personal games.