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It is amazing though what a QB wasteland the 2013 and 2014 drafts were for QBs. Derek Carr and Teddy Bridgewater were the only two decent choices those two years, in retrospect. Also, if they keep Peyton, does Polian still leave? If so, then they have Grigs and Chuck running things, and Peyton dies on the field. So, that would have sucked. |
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CletusPyle (11-07-2021) |
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The Colts also went 8-8 in back-to-back seasons in 2015 and 2016. In 2015, they did it with Matt Hasselback, Josh Freeman, and Charlie Whitehurst playing more than half the season. http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/re...Teams/2015-ind In 2016, Luck played the entire season ..... and they again went 8-8. http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/re...Teams/2016-ind Luck was great, but he was not Peyton Manning. If his career were longer, perhaps he would have done more with lesser teams and proven to be in the same vein with the likes of Manning and Dan Marino, but it wasn't. o
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TheMugwump (11-07-2021) |
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Racehorse (11-08-2021) |
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And IIRC, peyton was owed a ton of money, huge roster bonus or something that would have precluded us from signing good players. I dont think we would have won with manning if he stayed, not SBs at least. He won in denver mostly from a killer defense. The problem was poor choices in grigson and pagano. |
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And agree on Grigson and Chuck. |
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The Colts are now like everyone else. Not every organization have been blessed with so many franchise QBs going back to the Baltimore days. Now they have to be really bad at the right time and make a wise pick.
They did well with Rivers but odd enough using hindsight I wish they would've signed Brady. I never thought I would say that. |
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1)Brady would have been quite cheap for his production, allowing us move money for plays that..... 2)Ballers wanting to come play with Brady and win a Lombardi. If Brady had come to Indy, we would have had the cap room at the time to bring in his entourage at the time. This O would have had Gronk, AB, and likely another guy star on O. Probably would have brought in Suh and a few other aging stars to make the push. Instead we got Rivers, another dose of TY, and Trey Burton. We spend all of our money and draft capital on O-Line and D-Line which hasn't panned out. We went cheap, to build through the draft, and the mediocrity of most of the picks has hamstrung us into the hell that is mediocrity in todays NFL. Never picking high enough to change your franchise and never picking low enough as a result of being a true contender. But don't worry, we have a top 15 first round pick this year which will help....oh wait. It begs the question.....What more does Carson Wentz require to be elite and make playoff runs with the Colts year after year? Definitely a WR2 opposite Pittman and a slot guy. And also an alpha dog TE. That's about it. So if what we are seeing out of Wentz now is pretty much his ceiling at this point, we probably are stuck in mediocrity town for the foreseeable future without a bit of luck falling our way. I say fuck optics and fuck sportsmanship. If we become out of the playoff race or its even close, find a cleanup procedure for Wentz for the last 3-4 games of the season. We need to see what we have in Ehlinger as a backup. If Wentz is too fragile to be on board for this plan, then he really doesn't want to win a Lombardi and surround himself with the best possible talent going forward. JMO |
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The problem with keeping Peyton at the time was that there was a hard date we had to decide, and keeping him would've tied up ~20-25% of our cap. Within several weeks of having to decide, Peyton couldn't yet throw the ball 20 yards or more, and there was no guarantee yet that he'd be able to. It was a shitty deal, timing wise. Don't remember when foisting Grigs upon us became a sure thing, but keep in mind, Polian Jr., after clearing out our top-rate scouting group over the years, had the cupboard pretty bare by this time.
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Hindsight is obviously 20/20, but I think we mismanaged this one considerably. |
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