Shit gets real for Donnie

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

You still didn't answer the question.

Biden is not the issue. Start a different thread. This is about the attempted coup buy Trump to usurp the transfer of power.

Biden didnt call a election official in Georgia. It was trump and he was recorded giving this request

I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have,” Mr. Trump said during the conversation, according

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That is election tampering, he’s the criminal.

[JAFF]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...allies-trouble

As requested , a different source

. The House select committee investigating the Capitol attack revealed at its inaugural hearing that Donald Trump’s top Republican allies in Congress sought pardons after the January 6 insurrection, a major disclosure that bolstered the claim that the event amounted to a coup and is likely to cause serious scrutiny for those implicated.

The news that multiple House Republicans asked the Trump White House for pardons – an apparent consciousness of guilt – was one of three revelations portending potentially perilous legal and political moments to come for Trump and his allies.

The first public hearing of the January 6 House committee will take place Thursday, 9 June 2022.
January 6 hearing: Trump was at heart of plot that led to ‘attempted coup’
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At the hearing, the panel’s vice-chair Liz Cheney named only one Republican member of Congress, congressman Scott Perry, the current chair of the ultra conservative House freedom caucus, who sought a presidential pardon for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election results.

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The select committee did not elaborate on which other House Republicans were asking for pardons or more significantly, for which crimes they were seeking pardons, but it appeared to show at the minimum that they knew they had been involved in likely illegal conduct.

The extraordinary claim also raised the prospect that the Republican members of Congress seeking clemency believed Trump’s election fraud claims were baseless: for why would they need pardons if they really were only raising legitimate questions about the election.

“It’s hard to find a more explicit statement of consciousness of guilt than looking for a pardon for actions you’ve just taken, assisting in a plan to overthrow the results of a presidential election,” Jamie Raskin, a member of the select committee, told reporters.

Willful blindness

The disclosure about the pardons came during the opening hour of the hearing where the panel made the case that Trump could not credibly believe he had won the 2020 election after some of his most senior advisors told him repeatedly that he had lost to Joe Biden.

Trump, according to videos of closed-door depositions played by the select committee, was told by his data experts he lost the election, told by former attorney general Bill Barr that his election fraud claims were “bullshit”, a conclusion Ivanka Trump said she accepted.

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The admissions by some of Trump’s top aides are important since they could put federal prosecutors one step closer to being able to charge Trump with obstructing an official proceeding or defrauding the United States on the basis of election fraud claims he knew were false.

It’s hard to find a more explicit statement of consciousness of guilt than looking for a pardon for actions you’ve just taken
Jamie Raskin
At the heart of the case the panel appears to be trying to make is the legal doctrine of “willful blindness”, as former US attorney Joyce Vance wrote for MSNBC, which says a defendant cannot say they weren’t aware of something if they were credibly notified of the truth.

The potential case against Trump might take the form that he could not use, as his defense against charges he violated the law to stop Biden’s certification on January 6, that he believed there was election fraud, when he had been credibly notified it was “bullshit”.

Trump-Flynn-Powell meeting

Also in the first hour of the hearing, the select committee cast in a new light the contentious 18 December 2020 meeting Trump had at the White House with his former national security advisor Michael Flynn, and former Trump lawyer and conspiracy theorist Sidney Powell.

The Guardian has reported extensively on that meeting, where Powell urged Trump to sign an executive order to seize voting machines and suspend normal law, based on Trump’s executive order 13848, and to appoint her special counsel to investigate election fraud.

Cheney confirmed the reporting by this newspaper and others, that the group discussed “dramatic steps” such as seizing voting machines, but also alluded to a potential discussion about somehow obstructing Biden’s election win certification.

The basis for that characterization, based on how Cheney described the late night meeting in the Oval Office that later continued in the White House residence, appears to be how Trump, just hours later, tweeted that there would be a “wild protest” on January 6.

It was not clear whether Cheney was laying the groundwork for the select committee to tie Trump into a conspiracy of some sort, claiming this represented two people entering an agreement and taking overt steps to accomplishing it – the legal standard for conspiracy.

But the “wild protest” phrase would shortly after be seized upon by some of the most prominent far-right political operatives.

Hours after Trump’s tweet, according to archived versions of its website, Stop the Steal changed its banner to advertise a “wild protest” before Ali Alexander, who led the movement, even applied for a permit to stage a rally on the east side of the Capitol on Januar

Why would a member of congress want a pardon, before even being charged with a crime?

[JAFF]

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...06742c4a6a6238

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by JAFF

Biden is not the issue. Start a different thread. This is about the attempted coup buy Trump to usurp the transfer of power.

Biden didnt call a election official in Georgia. It was trump and he was recorded giving this request

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That is election tampering, he’s the criminal.

I think Spike did that. You ignored it then, too.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Both the Trump and the Biden administrations have left a lot to be desired.

Both are dumpster fires.


I really hope another candidate emerges from either of the primaries other than Dumb and Dumber (you can pick which one is Biden and which one is Trump)

Unfortunately for our country, I think the next election will be a re-match of the last one.

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

I think Spike did that. You ignored it then, too.

Why did you remove the trump Quote to find votes


Truth sucks.

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by JAFF

Why did you remove the trump Quote to find votes


Truth sucks.

I removed nothing. I asked a question, which you continue to deflect from.

[Spike]

Originally Posted by JAFF

Biden is not the issue. Start a different thread. This is about the attempted coup buy Trump to usurp the transfer of power.

Biden didnt call a election official in Georgia. It was trump and he was recorded giving this request

.

That is election tampering, he’s the criminal.

There is already a thread on Biden/Harris. You have not said one word about how bad Biden has done anywhere in any of these threads. So I thought I would bring it up in this one.

My point is that most Americans don't give a shit about 1/6 anymore. Like Luv2Fish stated, this is impeach Trump 3.0. Primetime grandstanding political BS now. Pelosi handpicked her own lapdogs for this committee, which included 2 Rinos, fair justice I guess. There are real issues affecting Americans right now, can we not at least put some focus on that?

How about Schumer and this rant- I want to tell you, Gorsuch; I want to tell you, Kavanaugh: You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. Is threatening SCOTUS not a criminal offense? I guess it's only criminal when a side you don't like does it.

It's okay to criticize both sides which you seem to have a problem with.

[JAFF]

Start a biden thread. I will show up.

People still care about the failed insurrection.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Spike

There is already a thread on Biden/Harris. You have not said one word about how bad Biden has done anywhere in any of these threads. So I thought I would bring it up in this one.

My point is that most Americans don't give a shit about 1/6 anymore. Like Luv2Fish stated, this is impeach Trump 3.0. Primetime grandstanding political BS now. Pelosi handpicked her own lapdogs for this committee, which included 2 Rinos, fair justice I guess. There are real issues affecting Americans right now, can we not at least put some focus on that?

How about Schumer and this rant- I want to tell you, Gorsuch; I want to tell you, Kavanaugh: You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. Is threatening SCOTUS not a criminal offense? I guess it's only criminal when a side you don't like does it.

It's okay to criticize both sides which you seem to have a problem with.

most americans do care about 1/6.

you trumpers do not. there will never be any evidence that would have you go against the team. which makes you trumpers impressive in your undying devotion to someone that couldn't give a fuck less.

you guys fall in line amazingly. which is why you are so successful when you are so terrible for americans. tow the party line always. never ever question what you are told from the party