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Old 10-15-2018, 10:58 AM
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If Luck wasn't giving the other team so many points, that would be happening.
If you think it's all on Luck, then you are blind as hell.
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Old 10-15-2018, 11:01 AM
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Listen guys, don’t fool yourselves into thinking that this team can “win” anything except the first pick in this years draft. Management has said since the beginning of free agency that this year was a rebuilding year, and so far they have been spot on ,they will be lucky to win another game, and IMO, they don’t care. IMO they are years away from contending for anything but high draft picks, by the time they start contending, Brissett might be the QB.
I disagree completely. Ballard wants to get the correct 'culture' here. I am assuming he wants a winning culture. You have to learn how to win to have a winning culture. Tough to do if you are committed to losing so you get a high draft choice. FatDT got it right in his post in this thread. To insinuate that Luck is part of the problem is insane. If we had the caliber of player as Luck at every position this team would be unbeatable.

Many fans may be young and this is their first real rebuild. I've been thru a lot of them and they all feel this way at some time. It's where they go from here that counts. I'll admit to being a little nervous for these next few games as I thing they may be key.
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I disagree completely. Ballard wants to get the correct 'culture' here. I am assuming he wants a winning culture. You have to learn how to win to have a winning culture. Tough to do if you are committed to losing so you get a high draft choice. FatDT got it right in his post in this thread. To insinuate that Luck is part of the problem is insane. If we had the caliber of player as Luck at every position this team would be unbeatable.

Many fans may be young and this is their first real rebuild. I've been thru a lot of them and they all feel this way at some time. It's where they go from here that counts. I'll admit to being a little nervous for these next few games as I thing they may be key.
Exactly how or where did I insinuate that Luck was
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We have Luck and this division is trash. No reason we shouldn’t be contenders for the division.
We don't have old Luck back yet. The South is trash but I don't think they will all keep losing like this. Surely it would be unprecedented for a 6 or 7 win team to win their division.
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If Luck wasn't giving the other team so many points, that would be happening.
Luck didn’t cause the pick 6. These losses aren’t on Luck alone. Stop with the nonsense
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If you think it's all on Luck, then you are blind as hell.
I think the Andrew Luck that valued ball security led his team to an 11-5 record and a division win. Maybe it's the quality of his receivers, but he's turning the ball over a lot. He had 3 INTs yesterday. That's not what great QBs do.
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Luck didn’t cause the pick 6. These losses aren’t on Luck alone. Stop with the nonsense
Of course they're not on Luck alone. If the defense could've defended a slant the other day, this game also could've turned out differently. That said, the defense was expected to be bad. Luck wasn't expected to be giving the other team bunches of points and not valuing possession of the ball.
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I think the Andrew Luck that valued ball security led his team to an 11-5 record and a division win. Maybe it's the quality of his receivers, but he's turning the ball over a lot. He had 3 INTs yesterday. That's not what great QBs do.
How many of them were results of poor passes and how many were results of receivers screwing up? Quite a few recently have been due to the receivers, but people not actually paying attention want to blame it all on Luck.

Luck has always thrown some dumb passes that get picked off now and then, but it's bad right now because his WR's are making things worse.
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Of course they're not on Luck alone. If the defense could've defended a slant the other day, this game also could've turned out differently. That said, the defense was expected to be bad. Luck wasn't expected to be giving the other team bunches of points and not valuing possession of the ball.
Maybe not by you. I expected the first half of his season to be rough. Part of rebuilding him as a QB will be rebuilding his decision-making. The popular trope right now is that Luck is this Favre-like gunslinger, doomed to make dumb decisions in between brilliant throws forever. I don't buy it. He showed progression in this from his rookie year to his best year. His struggles do not surprise me, but I do expect them to get better. His head coach is a former NFL QB and former NFL QB coach. Reich and his staff will work through the dumb decisions with Luck.
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Maybe not by you. I expected the first half of his season to be rough. Part of rebuilding him as a QB will be rebuilding his decision-making. The popular trope right now is that Luck is this Favre-like gunslinger, doomed to make dumb decisions in between brilliant throws forever. I don't buy it. He showed progression in this from his rookie year to his best year. His struggles do not surprise me, but I do expect them to get better. His head coach is a former NFL QB and former NFL QB coach. Reich and his staff will work through the dumb decisions with Luck.
Obviously the Favre-like gunslinger thing is hyperbole, but it's not like Luck is some 3rd or 4th year QB. 2018 is his 7th season, and these tendencies have never fully gone away at any point. I hope you're right about Reich and his staff, but the early results don't show it.
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