Quick thoughts - Titans

[GoBigBlue88]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

You think the coach does nothing.

To be fair, with this coach, he's not wrong.

[FatDT]

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88

To be fair, with this coach, he's not wrong.

No, he is. Pagano doing nothing would be a net gain for this team.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

No Damold. Stop your fake news


The odd thing is you put no responsibilities on the head coach. Everything is either the gm or players. You think the coach does nothing. Problem is, the issues with this team are the same and span many assistants, 2 gms, and many different players. There is a common denominator and that is pagano.

The "issues" you reference all coincide with acknowledged roster weaknesses. The 1958 New York Giants coaching staff couldn't have coached a bottom 5 roster in the league to postseason prominence, even in today's postseason format. Without a healthy Andrew Luck, that's what this roster appears to be, especially defensively. Average OLBs and bad ILBs just don't cut it in a 3-4, where LBs are supposed to be the strength of the defense. With little pass rush ability and ILBs that can't cover, of course the passing game is going to be problematic game in and game out. Ballard couldn't fix it all in one offseason, I'm certainly willing to give him time considering the mess he inherited outside of the QB position. Hooker and Mack look very promising, as does Wilson when healthy. Given his pedigree and acquisitions to date, I trust him to be able to find the pass rushers and ILBs this team desperately needs.

[1965southpaw]

[QUOTE=Dam8610;34603]You really like getting pissed off over irrelevant shit, like when a timeout was taken when the defense can't get you the ball back anyway.

Should they have used Mack more? Probably, but they also tried a few times to use him in the passing game, which were unsuccessful due to bad throws. Mack should've been getting all of Turbin's time, hopefully he will now that Turbin is hurt. You seem to think this is a fireable offense, which means you'd go through pretty much every coach in the NFL.

Also, not playing a rookie who is coming off an injury is not the absolute worst thing a coach could do. Vontae Davis didn't exactly look sharp in his first week back from injury, and he's a talented veteran leader. If Quincy Wilson had gone out and gotten burned up and down the field, you'd be just as critical of Pagano for playing him. Just like with the decision to start Tolzien Week 1. Sure, in hindsight it looks dumb, but if Brissett had gone out and performed poorly, Pagano would've been awful for putting someone out there with no understanding of the offense or playbook.

I guess that's the odd thing about all of this to me. Everyone on this board calls me pointing out the flaws in their arguments or blatant hypocrisy "defending Pagano" when the reality is I haven't cared what happened with Pagano for over 2 seasons now. Make valid points.[/QUOTE]

The valid point is that two things can and are true simultaneously. You can hold players accountable for their successes and failures AND you can hold coaches accountable for their successes and failures. The key word is "And".

Our players are held to account by their inclusion on the team, by the size of their contracts, and by their playing time. But you cannot say a team that has sufficient talent to play like they keep playing in the first half of these games is losing due to a talent deficit. They have sufficient talent to compete. They are dealing with a coaching and leadership deficit. Chud, Monachino, And Pagano are not putting their talent in the best position to succeed AND they can and should be held to account for this just as they should be credited for getting the team off to a fast start. If you can't see that this leadership team is failing to lead this team I don't think there are any other points that can be made.

[rcubed]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

The "issues" you reference all coincide with acknowledged roster weaknesses. .....

Why is it we can be leading in 5 of 6 games at the half and continue to have these melts downs ending in us being 2-4? The talent is there for us to play well enough in the first half but somehow changes in the second half? Its true we have roster weakness but you cant blame everything on that.

Other coaching staff changes can turn around terrible teams in an offseason with out much roster turn over - See harbaugh in SF, see mcvay with the rams.

Coaching matters Adjustments matters. Attitude matters. Accountability matters.

[Brylok]

Originally Posted by rcubed

Why is it we can be leading in 5 of 6 games at the half and continue to have these melts downs ending in us being 2-4? The talent is there for us to play well enough in the first half but somehow changes in the second half? Its true we have roster weakness but you cant blame everything on that.

Other coaching staff changes can turn around terrible teams in an offseason with out much roster turn over - See harbaugh in SF, see mcvay with the rams.

Coaching matters Adjustments matters. Attitude matters. Accountability matters.

We are 0-4 on those. It makes me wonder what the coaches actually do all week.

[GoBigBlue88]

Originally Posted by rcubed

Why is it we can be leading in 5 of 6 games at the half and continue to have these melts downs ending in us being 2-4? The talent is there for us to play well enough in the first half but somehow changes in the second half? Its true we have roster weakness but you cant blame everything on that.

Other coaching staff changes can turn around terrible teams in an offseason with out much roster turn over - See harbaugh in SF, see mcvay with the rams.

Coaching matters Adjustments matters. Attitude matters. Accountability matters.

"Because talent catches up to you over the course of 60 minutes." - Dam

"Because this coaching staff goes into half time with shit for brains." - Everyone else on this board

"I exist." - Apballin

[njcoltfan]

Originally Posted by Brylok

We are 0-4 on those. It makes me wonder what the coaches actually do all week.

Chop some mythical wood???

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Brylok

We are 0-4 on those. It makes me wonder what the coaches actually do all week.

According to damold, nothing

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by 1965southpaw

The valid point is that two things can and are true simultaneously. You can hold players accountable for their successes and failures AND you can hold coaches accountable for their successes and failures. The key word is "And".

Our players are held to account by their inclusion on the team, by the size of their contracts, and by their playing time. But you cannot say a team that has sufficient talent to play like they keep playing in the first half of these games is losing due to a talent deficit. They have sufficient talent to compete. They are dealing with a coaching and leadership deficit. Chud, Monachino, And Pagano are not putting their talent in the best position to succeed AND they can and should be held to account for this just as they should be credited for getting the team off to a fast start. If you can't see that this leadership team is failing to lead this team I don't think there are any other points that can be made.

Originally Posted by rcubed

Why is it we can be leading in 5 of 6 games at the half and continue to have these melts downs ending in us being 2-4? The talent is there for us to play well enough in the first half but somehow changes in the second half? Its true we have roster weakness but you cant blame everything on that.

Other coaching staff changes can turn around terrible teams in an offseason with out much roster turn over - See harbaugh in SF, see mcvay with the rams.

Coaching matters Adjustments matters. Attitude matters. Accountability matters.

Doesn't this team lead the league in 3 and outs? Has some of that been playcalling? Definitely, there have been some far too predictable series from this team in the second half of games. However, a lot of it has been execution of the players. Key drops on crucial third down plays. Inability to open running lanes. Overthrows. Inability to execute the counters clearly called. That last one was a huge factor in last night's game. The playcall mix was appropriate in the second half, and the play designs were clearly blitz beaters, things like screens, short passes to the flat and over the middle, checkdowns built into nearly every play. Brissett just struggled to execute all of it in the second half. That's been a theme for him as well, and as offense dependent as this team appears to be, it's little surprise that when he performs well, the team performs well, and when he performs poorly, so does the team. Not all of it is on Brissett, but if you want to know why the halftime leads turn into losses, look to the performance of the offense, and if the coaching staff is making the right calls to counter the opponent's strategy, you can't exactly blame them for the players' inability to execute it.