Hey Dam

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

But we have no talent, according to Dam. Wait, that's you. Contradict yourself much?

No, I recognize the value of a franchise QB and the death spiral that happens with consistent 3 and outs on offense.

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

No, I recognize the value of a franchise QB and the death spiral that happens with consistent 3 and outs on offense that are cause by poor coaching, whether that occurs on the sidelines or at halftime when most coaches make good adjustments instead of the bad ones that our coach makes.

For once, I almost agreed with you. I had to add in the truth to do so, however.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

For once, I almost agreed with you. I had to add in the truth to do so, however.

This is the fundamental disagreement we have, I think. You seem to think things like a QB overthrowing a ball, a receiver or tight end dropping a pass, or an OL not making a good enough block are on coaching, which means in your world players bear no responsibility to execute the responsibilities of their position. I disagree with that entirely. It is the QB's job to throw the ball accurately, it is the receiver's job to catch the ball, and it is the OL's job to make their blocks well enough to allow the skill players to execute their responsibilities. If they're not doing that, they need replaced, but unfortunately it's nigh impossible to do that midseason.

[1965southpaw]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

This is the fundamental disagreement we have, I think. You seem to think things like a QB overthrowing a ball, a receiver or tight end dropping a pass, or an OL not making a good enough block are on coaching, which means in your world players bear no responsibility to execute the responsibilities of their position. I disagree with that entirely. It is the QB's job to throw the ball accurately, it is the receiver's job to catch the ball, and it is the OL's job to make their blocks well enough to allow the skill players to execute their responsibilities. If they're not doing that, they need replaced, but unfortunately it's nigh impossible to do that midseason.

As I mentioned in my previous post my fundamental disagreement is you over emphasize the accountability of the talent and underemphasize the accountability of the coaching. Both are true and are grave issues for this franchise. For example from the Titans game:

1. Moncrief dropped a catch for a touchdown that was a perfect ball right in his hands with very little pressure from the defender. It is Inexcusable that he cost his team points. His contract is due next year. We have seen enough. He should be held to account and should NOT be signed. Further, according to Doyle, he skipped out of the locker room so fast after the game they were searching for him to interview him and he was nowhere to be found. He's a self centered punk who is not a good team mate. Done

2. Our coaches put our best offensive asset (Hilton) in a bunch formation exactly once where he gained 19 yards yet failed to replicate that sensible/obvious design to thwart the Titans bracket. There are dozens of scheme issues, clock management isssues, and roster selection issues over the course of 6 years that this leadership team has made with unacceptable result and they must be held to account and fired at the end of the season.

It's not that hard.....it's not players or coaching. It's players AND coaching. But you can't ignore the coaching incompetence. To do so diminishes your credibility.

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

This is the fundamental disagreement we have, I think. You seem to think things like a QB overthrowing a ball, a receiver or tight end dropping a pass, or an OL not making a good enough block are on coaching, which means in your world players bear no responsibility to execute the responsibilities of their position. I disagree with that entirely. It is the QB's job to throw the ball accurately, it is the receiver's job to catch the ball, and it is the OL's job to make their blocks well enough to allow the skill players to execute their responsibilities. If they're not doing that, they need replaced, but unfortunately it's nigh impossible to do that midseason.

It is the responsibility of the coach to correct those things. Instead, players get a clap and a pat on the backside. If he seemed to have an inkling of how to even start doing his job right, we would still support him.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by 1965southpaw

As I mentioned in my previous post my fundamental disagreement is you over emphasize the accountability of the talent and underemphasize the accountability of the coaching. Both are true and are grave issues for this franchise. For example from the Titans game:

1. Moncrief dropped a catch for a touchdown that was a perfect ball right in his hands with very little pressure from the defender. It is Inexcusable that he cost his team points. His contract is due next year. We have seen enough. He should be held to account and should NOT be signed. Further, according to Doyle, he skipped out of the locker room so fast after the game they were searching for him to interview him and he was nowhere to be found. He's a self centered punk who is not a good team mate. Done

2. Our coaches put our best offensive asset (Hilton) in a bunch formation exactly once where he gained 19 yards yet failed to replicate that sensible/obvious design to thwart the Titans bracket. There are dozens of scheme issues, clock management isssues, and roster selection issues over the course of 6 years that this leadership team has made with unacceptable result and they must be held to account and fired at the end of the season.

It's not that hard.....it's not players or coaching. It's players AND coaching. But you can't ignore the coaching incompetence. To do so diminishes your credibility.

Of course the coaching bears some responsibility, just usually nowhere near the degree of responsibility most posters on this board want to claim. For example, everyone here wants to say that because the Titans were successful blitzing that the coaching staff failed to adjust to that. The reality is that the coaches called plays that would've beat the blitz in the second half, but the players (Brissett mainly) didn't execute. I know coaches and QBs get bigger shares of credit for wins and blame for losses than is deserved, but you guys take the coaches and blame part way too far.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

It is the responsibility of the coach to correct those things. Instead, players get a clap and a pat on the backside. If he seemed to have an inkling of how to even start doing his job right, we would still support him.

What is he supposed to do if Brissett consistently fails to execute in the second half? Put Tolzien in? Sure, he can tell him not to overthrow it, go over mechanics with him, practice it more during the week, etc., but ultimately, if Brissett is going to overthrow a ball in a situation, he's going to do that, and that's on him, because the coaching staff can't go out and their the ball for him. Sometimes the coaching staff doesn't have a good option.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Sometimes the coaching staff doesn't have a good option.

This staff has not just a good option, they have a great option- quit!

[apballin]

Brissett consistently chokes in the 2nd Half that's the issue

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by apballin

Brissett consistently chokes in the 2nd Half that's the issue

Ok...Dam's mom.