Doyle article on Quentin Nelson

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

This isn't Pagano. So yes, the coaches are calling out players who don't hustle as much as the next player.

Wait a minute, when did coaching become important to you?

They should do their jobs, which mostly consist of developing players. That doesn't mean they typically have an effect on the outcome of any given game. You misunderstanding and misconstruing my argument doesn't change it.

[Chromeburn]

A storm is coming. Heh Doyle is so melodramatic. Still it will be nice to see some dominance on the offensive line. I just hate that it took a number 6 pick to do it.

I like that backside pickup, but Nelson probably weight 80 to 100 pounds more. Defender should go flying.

[Spike]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

They should do their jobs, which mostly consist of developing players. That doesn't mean they typically have an effect on the outcome of any given game. You misunderstanding and misconstruing my argument doesn't change it.

Can you quit with this shit already. Of course coaches have an effect on the outcome of any given game. Are the Rams not better off with that POS Fischer gone? Doug Peterson won a SB with a backup QB. I could list more, but you get the point.

[Spike]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

A storm is coming. Heh Doyle is so melodramatic. Still it will be nice to see some dominance on the offensive line. I just hate that it took a number 6 pick to do it.

I like that backside pickup, but Nelson probably weight 80 to 100 pounds more. Defender should go flying.

I hate it too, but it is what it is. But when a guy like Nelson is there at 6, you don't hesitate. He is a beast. At 6, I didn't see anyone who could dominate as well as he could. The only guy I thought of that would be worthy of that pick was Bradley Chubb. But he was gone, so the Colts made the correct choice in Nelson.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Spike

What the fuck are you talking about that it wasn't that impressive? When is the last time you saw an offensive lineman on the Colts do that kind of shit?

He has at least a 100 pounds on the dude. He lowers the shoulder on the kid and he is going down.

It was a great play but most guards would flatten that dude there

[njcoltfan]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

He has at least a 100 pounds on the dude. He lowers the shoulder on the kid and he is going down.

It was a great play but most guards would flatten that dude there

I thought Commishs' point was that Nelson saw the blitzer coming, not the block.

[sherck]

With the Defensive Tackles that exist in our division, I am a bit shocked anyone is still arguing at picking quality at OG no matter how high he was picked.

Seriously, almost any QB interview will tell you that up the middle pressure is MUCH, MUCH worse that on the edge of the pocket pressure. One allows you to step up and complete the throw and the other one has you running for your life.

Our division ihas some quality DTs; J.J. Watt (HOU), Malik Jackson (JAX), Taven Bryan (JAX), Bennie Logan (TEN), Jurrell Casey (TEN).

I agree with others; if Chubb had been there at 6 I would have taken him but he was not and Nelson as, BY FAR, the best choice at the spot regardless of what position he plays. If he performs as well in the NFL has he has in high school and college, he will make a big impact for this team.

Walk Worthy,

[FatDT]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

He has at least a 100 pounds on the dude. He lowers the shoulder on the kid and he is going down.

It was a great play but most guards would flatten that dude there

I agree on size difference, but most guards wouldn't have seen it in time. Of the ones that did, most of them wouldn't have been able to pivot, square up, and accelerate in time to get that much of a hit on the blitzer. The good ones might've gotten a hand out and fended him off. The mix of recognition, power, and athleticism is good to see. But we will have to see if he can play at that same level against NFL speed and power.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Spike

Can you quit with this shit already. Of course coaches have an effect on the outcome of any given game. Are the Rams not better off with that POS Fischer gone? Doug Peterson won a SB with a backup QB. I could list more, but you get the point.

To answer your question, McVay developed his players, most importantly his second year QB, and had a better scheme offensively than Fisher, which put his players in better position to succeed. He also had one of the best defenses in the league with a great DL. Pederson was able to win with his backup because he had one of the best backup QBs in the NFL, a scheme that relied on getting the ball into the hands of his playmakers quickly, and, most importantly, one of the best defenses in the league, including arguably the best DL in the league.

Those things are not coaches having an impact on the outcome of the game. Why? Because a scheme doesn't guarantee success. The player still has to go out and execute the scheme. That is why all outcomes are player driven. You can disagree with that all you'd like, but every part of the system in the league reflects the truth of it, including pay.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by sherck

With the Defensive Tackles that exist in our division, I am a bit shocked anyone is still arguing at picking quality at OG no matter how high he was picked.

Seriously, almost any QB interview will tell you that up the middle pressure is MUCH, MUCH worse that on the edge of the pocket pressure. One allows you to step up and complete the throw and the other one has you running for your life.

Our division ihas some quality DTs; J.J. Watt (HOU), Malik Jackson (JAX), Taven Bryan (JAX), Bennie Logan (TEN), Jurrell Casey (TEN).

I agree with others; if Chubb had been there at 6 I would have taken him but he was not and Nelson as, BY FAR, the best choice at the spot regardless of what position he plays. If he performs as well in the NFL has he has in high school and college, he will make a big impact for this team.

Walk Worthy,

Ultimately the difference to me is the trade value. The Colts could've had:

Bradley Chubb

OR

Quentin Nelson, Braden Smith, Kekomo Turay, Jordan Wilkins, and (likely) a top 40 pick in the 2019 draft, which has the deepest DL group in recent memory.

I liked Chubb over Nelson by a very large margin, but he wasn't 4 quality players better than Nelson. That said, I still think a trade down with the Bills was the best option at 6, and I think Tremaine Edmunds and Isaiah Wynn would've been more valuable than Nelson.