Free Agents Discussion

[Brylok]

Originally Posted by Puck

I dont even know why he is looking for a WR unless he is planning to trade Dorsett. If you look at the mocks there are a few teams like the Bills that may take a WR so maybe we could move up trading away Dorsett.

Isn't Aiken a KR guy, too? Maybe Quan Bray isn't long for the team.

[Indiana V2]

Originally Posted by Puck

Richard Sherman anyone? I dont think he fits what we attempt to do

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/...qdM?li=BBnba9I

This morning on the radio, not sure which station, they were saying if the Saints trade their 1st Round pick to the Patriots for Malcolm Butler, then expect the Patriots to then trade the pick for Sherman.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

everyone agrees but there is no rule saying you can't improve your team on free agency.

I agree with this, too. It isn't an either-or option. That being said, I think it's perfectly reasonable to not go crazy in 2017 UFA as you transition your roster, front office, and coaching staff. Ballard can lay the foundation now and then swing for the fences next offseason once he has his coach and scouts in place.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by Puck

He also has a bad OC calling plays for him

Dorsett isn't a good receiver. It doesn't matter what the play calls were.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by Brylok

Isn't Aiken a KR guy, too? Maybe Quan Bray isn't long for the team.

Bigger possession receiver. They need another one. They need a guy to back up Moncrief.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

Dorsett isn't a good receiver. It doesn't matter what the play calls were.

I say let's see him this year. I am not sure his book is written yet

[rcubed]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

Bigger possession receiver. They need another one. They need a guy to back up Moncrief.

rogers

[sherck]

Originally Posted by Puck

Richard Sherman anyone? I dont think he fits what we attempt to do

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/...qdM?li=BBnba9I

Oh heck yes!

Sherman is a man-to-man stud who is not afraid to line up across from anyone and stay with them until the play is done.

Played in every game over his entire 6 season career and has started all of them since game 7 of his rookie year.

97 Passes Defended in 6 years. Average of 5 INTs per year and a really good run support tackler.

He is Vontae Davis....only 1 year younger. Would it not be great to have two of them?

A really nice page isolating him on some of his better plays from 2013 (located here).

Another one from 2014 that is more fact and data driven (located here).

Now, contracts.

Vontae is only signed through 2017 and is a free agent at the end of the season. He is our CB1 and would probably expect a top dollar offer from Ballard to remain here.

Sherman would cost the Colts $11.431m of cap space in 2017 and $11.000m in 2018. He would be great insurance against "needing" to overpay Vontae to stay. Those cap hits are not terrible when compared to what other top CBs are getting.

The rub comes down to what the Seahawks would want in return. I would pay a 3rd round pick in a heartbeat for him. I would think hard about paying our 2nd round pick since there was a solid chance we were going to use one of our 1st or 2nd round picks on CB anyway.

I would not trade our 1st round pick for him nor would I send multiple picks unless it was our 3rd round and one of our bottom 4th round picks.

Sherman would make our entire defense better. Add a OLB[RUSH] and ILB in the top rounds of the draft and our defensive makeover would be well underway.

Cheers,

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

I say let's see him this year. I am not sure his book is written yet

His game speed is much slower than his 40. Doesn't create enough separation. Doesn't run crisp enough routes. Doesn't always catch cleanly. Doesn't attack the ball aggressively.

If there was anything special there, we would have seen it by now. I don't care what routes he's been running.

[rcubed]

Originally Posted by sherck

Oh heck yes!

Sherman is a man-to-man stud who is not afraid to line up across from anyone and stay with them until the play is done.

Played in every game over his entire 6 season career and has started all of them since game 7 of his rookie year.

97 Passes Defended in 6 years. Average of 5 INTs per year and a really good run support tackler.

He is Vontae Davis....only 1 year younger. Would it not be great to have two of them?

A really nice page isolating him on some of his better plays from 2013 (located here).

Another one from 2014 that is more fact and data driven (located here).

Now, contracts.

Vontae is only signed through 2017 and is a free agent at the end of the season. He is our CB1 and would probably expect a top dollar offer from Ballard to remain here.

Sherman would cost the Colts $11.431m of cap space in 2017 and $11.000m in 2018. He would be great insurance against "needing" to overpay Vontae to stay. Those cap hits are not terrible when compared to what other top CBs are getting.

The rub comes down to what the Seahawks would want in return. I would pay a 3rd round pick in a heartbeat for him. I would think hard about paying our 2nd round pick since there was a solid chance we were going to use one of our 1st or 2nd round picks on CB anyway.

I would not trade our 1st round pick for him nor would I send multiple picks unless it was our 3rd round and one of our bottom 4th round picks.

Sherman would make our entire defense better. Add a OLB[RUSH] and ILB in the top rounds of the draft and our defensive makeover would be well underway.

Cheers,

I would do that. 3rd or 3rd and 5th.