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Autry left pissed off because the colts under valued him and didn’t guarantee as much money as Titans did. He didn’t want to leave he left because Ballard was cheap. You want to know who the Colts should have signed at DE that offseason? Easy, Denico Autry. Yes, I’m sure to you it was impossible. He choose somewhere else and Ballard couldn’t possibly have handled it any differently they he did, right? |
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I don't think this is completely true. From everything that I have read about the situation, the reason why Autry was pissed at the Colts was because they didn't extend him in season. The Colts made in season extension offers to a select few players that year (Ryan Kelly and Grover Stewart) while they told Autry he needed to wait until the off season. Autry was pissed about that - not about the money offered. I am fairly certain that the Colts would have needed to better the Titans offer in order to smooth over Autry's hurt feelings. Perhaps you feel that Autry should have been offered an in season extension just like Grover Stewart and Ryan Kelly. But I don't think it is good business practice to extend everyone in season either. |
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Quite the debate on our favorite topic. While I've walked back my criticism of Ballard this year I still get what rn is saying that a lot of you guys are missing. Yes, Ballard has made a couple of "win now" moves at QB and w/ Defo. But he's sat on cap space and tried to fill gaping holes at other critical positions through the draft rather than FA and by doing so has cost the team wins. Examples are:
2020 - We were woefully lacking in playmakers at the receiver positions. We had an aging Hilton, a rookie MPJ, and a bunch of JAGs. 2021 - As pointed out by rn our DE situation in '21 was a shit show, and we could have been much better off going the FA route than trying to fill via the draft where we ended up w/ a couple of projects (one coming off a serious injury). Also, we were once again woefully lacking in playmakers at receiver having only MPJ, an even older (and injury prone) Hilton, and a bunch of JAGs. 2022 - While it got better towards the end of the season our OL was a shit show for most of the season b/c of how Ballard handled the LT position and somewhat the ROG spot as well (although the coaching staff had their fair share to blame at ROG). Also, again a lack of pass rush at DE and lack of weapons at receiver. 2023 Obviously our CB situation was really bad. We were better at DE and receiver but we still need more there. Quote:
Another that sticks out is obviously the whole '22 LT shit show that we've beaten to death over past 2 years. The biggest head scratcher there is we probably could have just kept Fisher for what we gave Pryor, and maybe even less . Anyway, to sum things up while I'm not as critical of Ballard as rn is, I do understand some of the points rn has been making and share in his concern that if/when the time comes and we're 1-2 players away that Ballard won't pull the trigger. Although hearing that we were outbidding the Texans for Hunter gives me hope that he will. Last edited by IndyNorm; 04-06-2024 at 05:15 PM. |
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When it came time to revisit Autry's contract status in 2021 during free agency, the Colts were unwilling to match what he wanted, and that ultimately caused him to move elsewhere in the AFC South to the Tennessee Titans. While both the Colts and Titans negotiated for Autry's services, he chose Tennessee's contract structure, which guaranteed him more during the first two years, over the Colts' offer. That really rubbed him the wrong way and his mission then became to punish the Colts twice a year. "That makes it real personal," Autry told reporters upon signing in Tennessee. "(The Colts) knew what they had. It is what it is." A stephen Holder tweet: Stephen Holder @HolderStephen · Follow Don't love the Colts' decision to let DL Denico Autry walk to Tennessee, but here's the skinny: The Colts, per NFL source, did try to match. Tennessee beat them out with their structure, which gave Autry more security in Year 2 of the deal. Important for a 30-year old player. 7:55 PM · Mar 15, 2021 And a colts wire article: “It seems to come down to the structure of the contract. This makes sense. The Colts like to front-load the contract of a veteran player. They get more guaranteed money up front while their production is still high but the Colts can cut bait when they need to later on. For the most part, it’s a win-win for both sides. That said, some players like to have a bit more security down the road when it comes to the contract, and that seems to be the deciding factor for Autry at this point.” Sports illustrated article: "The Colts, per a source, were interested in extending their relationship with the soon-to-be 31-year-old lineman," Ayello said. "In fact, they made a strong late push to try and keep him away from their AFC South rivals, but the Titans ultimately were willing to commit more to Autry in the first two years of the deal than the Colts. There are more if you need them. Regardless, it is pretty damn clear that Autry would have remained a Colt if Ballard had negotiated differently. Everything I sees says it was guarantees. Regardless, the binder spoke, Autry went to a division rival, and the Colts weren’t better for it (IMO of course). How his die hard fans spin that to make Ballard look like the hero is up to them. |
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I am not disagreeing that the Titans offered a little more guaranteed money vs the Colts - what I am saying is that the first thing that pissed Autry off was that he was not extended in season. He felt slighted from the outset because he was not prioritized for an in season extension. In other words, the negotiations got off on the wrong foot. And even if the Colts offer was identical - I think Autry still would have chose the Titans. On the other hand, if the Colts would have surpassed the Titans offer either in overall money or guaranteed money - then I think Autry would put his hurt feelings aside. And yes, if Ballard would have negotiated differently and tried to extend him in season, I am sure the outcome would have been completely different. Last edited by AlwaysSunnyinIndy; 04-06-2024 at 04:12 PM. |
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Racehorse (04-06-2024) |
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They’re all different to me,
Polian- seemed like he had more control and didn’t have to get approval from Irsay or the head coach. He made his moves and that was that. It worked out but they had Manning so any one of us couldn’t have fucked that up. Grigson- seemed to be Irsays buddy, Irsay wanted to take back control of his team after Polian and Manning were getting all the credit and it was essentially Irsay making all the moves Grigson was just the face of it. Yet there were still some good moves and those teams dominated the division. Ballard- seems to work well with owner and coach seems to value their input and allow them to have critical selections when it comes to roster moves, I still believe he wanted to draft Love and was convinced into Wentz by Reich. Then I believe he wanted Fields and Irsay stepped in still believing they were in championship contention there’s no way Ballard wanted Matt Ryan. He prioritizes high character guys and I’ll never fault that these guys truly represent the team on and off the field well. I always felt like that’s why Autry wasn’t resigned he had character shit popping up while he was on the team. Bottom line, show up produce and represent well when you’re not on the field and you will be rewarded seems to be Ballards standard and I’m good with that. |
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I have nothing to back this up. But my suspicion is that Mahomes was an Andy Reid pick and that Dorsey fought him on it, and that's why he was fired.
As far as the biggest difference between the Ballard and the current Chiefs regime? I believe it's quite simple. Both teams are among the top drafting teams in the league and both have their share of misses or slow developers. KC recognizes those misses and acts on them. Breeland Speeks doesn't work out, bring in Frank Clark. Mecole Hardman isn't progressing bring in an onslaught of WR's. Clyde Edwards Helaire can't stay on the field bring in an onslaught of RB's. Skyy Moore is proving to be worse than Alex Pierce, bring in more WR's. Ballard's standard reasoning is always that if we don't play these young guys, how can we expect them to get better? I say bring in competition and force them to get better (or not) while improving the team. |
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