Jaff's stupid shit

[Lov2fish]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

i find this very hard to believe.

you aren't for banning anything but the people you support and worship certainly do. which makes you in full support as well

Who the fuck do I support and worship, moron? You know nothing about me, but have zero problem assuming.

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by Lov2fish

Only people who got screwed was us. They should have never raised the debt ceiling and let the shit default.

You should stop paying your bills. See how that works.

No money to pay the military, their salaries. No mail, no Amtrak, no airline travel, ( air controllers fed employees), no fed guarantee of your money incase of a bank run which there will be, and wall street losing its collective shit. Social Security, Medicare wont be mailing out checks or paying bills.

Trump wants the default, which should tell you what a horrible idea it is

[Lov2fish]

Originally Posted by JAFF

You should stop paying your bills. See how that works.

No money to pay the military, their salaries. No mail, no Amtrak, no airline travel, ( air controllers fed employees), no fed guarantee of your money incase of a bank run which there will be, and wall street losing its collective shit. Social Security, Medicare wont be mailing out checks or paying bills.

Trump wants the default, which should tell you what a horrible idea it is

You have absolutely no idea how government spending works. I don't spend more than I make either, cause I am not that fucking retarded. Can't say the same for 535 math illiterate dumbasses we employ.

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by Lov2fish

You have absolutely no idea how government spending works. I don't spend more than I make either, cause I am not that fucking retarded. Can't say the same for 535 math illiterate dumbasses we employ.

Nice to know. The problem is that we are not talking about new money. The bills that need to be paid are from spending bills passed by BOTH parties in previous sessions. If the treasury runs out of money, they cant pay who we the people owe.

And the rules do not allow for the government to pick and choice. A bill comes due, they pay it. All those eligible for social security get it on the second wednesday, unless the govt. runs out of cash.

You want a second great depression, let the nation default

[JAFF]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/29/us/ho...day/index.html

What we need is a portable metal detector. Built like the old phone booths, on wheels, with a bit more room. Take it to the park, to an event center, the beach, or local park.

You want to enter the party, you must be examined before enter the party area. You go in and the door shuts, and scan the subject. If it detects metal keep it locked shut until the LEOs arrive. It should Have a breathalyzer, for the idiot who shows up to the party drunk.

[JAFF]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/31/us/te...ety/index.html

[Lov2fish]

Originally Posted by JAFF

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/31/us/te...ety/index.html

1 in 5 would carry. If you have 3 armed teachers per school and a trained resource officer at each school these school shootings would stop. Any place a gun free zone exist is a hunting ground for sick individuals. They know it is full of soft targets with zero to little resistance for a decent amount of time. I personally could care less about those signs. If there is a gun free zone, it no longer is when I arrive.

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by Lov2fish

1 in 5 would carry. If you have 3 armed teachers per school and a trained resource officer at each school these school shootings would stop. Any place a gun free zone exist is a hunting ground for sick individuals. They know it is full of soft targets with zero to little resistance for a decent amount of time. I personally could care less about those signs. If there is a gun free zone, it no longer is when I arrive.

Educators carrying guns. Questions I have.

1. Will the school corp provide me with a gun, or will I be expected to by my own gun and ammo?

If you know anything about education and teachers, a school board will by pop guns and spit wads.

2. What gun will I be using?

If its a pistol, I am going to complain. School shooters are bringing AR 15’s. What the fuck am I going to do with a pistol. Give me a shot gun, I will have a chance of hitting something.

3. Will I receive training and instruction, or am I on my own?

Again, if you know anything about school boards, you will be on your own.

4. Liability insurance to cover my use of a gun in a school?

No shit, what happens if I shoot and miss and injure or kill a student/employee of the school? The fantasy here is that the typical educator can turn into Captain America by giving them a gun.

5. Where do I store my pistol/machine gun/ shot gun in the class room?

Am I wearing it on my hip, or is it stored in a box with a glass front to break in case of crazy shooter. Am I carrying it during passing periods, or I keep it stored until I hear gun fire?

Educators need to educate. If the public wants fire arms in schools, they need to hire experts who are trained to do what is necessary to protect our children.

The real problem is that gun violence wont stop by hardening the security around schools. It will just look for another easy target. Parks, zoo, museums, amusement parks, theaters, resturants, ……………..

[Lov2fish]

1. Will the school corp provide me with a gun, or will I be expected to by my own gun and ammo? For what we pay in taxes I would expect a very nice reliable firearm and ammo

If you know anything about education and teachers, a school board will by pop guns and spit wads.

2. What gun will I be using? Hopefully something with serious stopping power. A 40 cal or 45 ACP

If its a pistol, I am going to complain. School shooters are bringing AR 15’s. What the fuck am I going to do with a pistol. Give me a shot gun, I will have a chance of hitting something. This is a fallacy. In closed quarters a pistol is your best defense, again see caliber above.

3. Will I receive training and instruction, or am I on my own? They better be providing training. I know Indiana currently will train teachers in districts where it is approved to be armed. It is approved at a state level but each district is its own little dictatorship.

Again, if you know anything about school boards, you will be on your own.

4. Liability insurance to cover my use of a gun in a school? Versus liability for lawsuits?

No shit, what happens if I shoot and miss and injure or kill a student/employee of the school? The fantasy here is that the typical educator can turn into Captain America by giving them a gun. It is not a fantasy. It is a reality that an armed teacher trained is better than a 15 minute wait until police arrive.

5. Where do I store my pistol/machine gun/ shot gun in the class room? A locked drawer with a key only you have. Nobody will know which teachers are armed. Its not like you have to hang a fucking sign. A sign is how some of this shit happen.

Am I wearing it on my hip, or is it stored in a box with a glass front to break in case of crazy shooter. Am I carrying it during passing periods, or I keep it stored until I hear gun fire? Read above, redundant question.

Educators need to educate. If the public wants fire arms in schools, they need to hire experts who are trained to do what is necessary to protect our children.

The real problem is that gun violence wont stop by hardening the security around schools. It will just look for another easy target. Parks, zoo, museums, amusement parks, theaters, resturants, …………….. Where they all have fucking gun free zones and the only ones who comply are law abiding citizens. Look at mass shootings as a whole from when they started until now. Damn near as many firearms in circulation as now, yet you didn't hear about this shit. It started gaining traction after Reagan gutted the mental health programs. Start there, not with the hundred million gun owners who go about their business every day and not harming a soul.

Making me defenseless is not going to make you safer. The decision to kill was made long before the weapon was ever chosen. Once decision was made no gun control laws have prevented one mass shooting, having gun free zones have contributed to it though.

[JAFF]

Trump captured on tape talking about classified document he kept after leaving the White House

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/31/polit...ley/index.html

Federal prosecutors have obtained an audio recording of a summer 2021 meeting in which former President Donald Trump acknowledges he held onto a classified Pentagon document about a potential attack on Iran, multiple sources told CNN, undercutting his argument that he declassified everything.

The recording indicates Trump understood he retained classified material after leaving the White House, according to multiple sources familiar with the investigation. On the recording, Trump’s comments suggest he would like to share the information but he’s aware of limitations on his ability post-presidency to declassify records, two of the sources said.

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CNN has not listened to the recording, but multiple sources described it. One source said the relevant portion on the Iran document is about two minutes long, and another source said the discussion is a small part of a much longer meeting.

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Special counsel Jack Smith, who is leading the Justice Department investigation into Trump, has focused on the meeting as part of the criminal investigation into Trump’s handling of national security secrets. Sources describe the recording as an “important” piece of evidence in a possible case against Trump, who has repeatedly asserted he could retain presidential records and “automatically” declassify documents.

Prosecutors have asked witnesses about the recording and the document before a federal grand jury. The episode has generated enough interest for investigators to have questioned Gen. Mark Milley, one of the highest-ranking Trump-era national security officials, about the incident.

The July 2021 meeting was held at Trump’s golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, with two people working on the autobiography of Trump’s former chief of staff Mark Meadows as well as aides employed by the former president, including communications specialist Margo Martin. The attendees, sources said, did not have security clearances that would allow them access to classified information. Meadows didn’t attend the meeting, sources said.

Meadows’ autobiography includes an account of what appears to be the same meeting, during which Trump “recalls a four-page report typed up by (Trump’s former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) Mark Milley himself. It contained the general’s own plan to attack Iran, deploying massive numbers of troops, something he urged President Trump to do more than once during his presidency.”

The document Trump references was not produced by Milley, CNN was told.

Investigators have questioned Milley about the episode in recent months, making him one of the highest-ranking national security officials from Trump’s administration to meet with the special counsel’s team. Milley’s spokesman Dave Butler declined to comment to CNN.

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The revelation that the former president and commander-in-chief has been captured on tape discussing a classified document could raise his legal exposure as he continues his third bid for the White House. Trump has denied any wrongdoing.

A Trump campaign spokesman said “leaks” are meant to “inflame tensions” around Trump.

“The DOJ’s continued interference in the presidential election is shameful and this meritless investigation should cease wasting the American taxpayer’s money on Democrat political objectives,” the spokesman added.

When asked at a CNN town hall this month if he showed classified documents he kept after the presidency to anyone, Trump answered: “Not really. I would have the right to. By the way, they were declassified after.”

A lawyer for Meadows declined to comment. A lawyer for Martin declined to comment.

Smith’s investigation has shown signs of nearing its end, though it hasn’t yet resulted in any criminal charges. A spokesman for the special counsel’s office declined to comment for this story.

In this February 2020 photo, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley chats with President Donald Trump after he delivered the State of the Union address at the Capitol in Washington, DC.
In this February 2020 photo, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley chats with President Donald Trump after he delivered the State of the Union address at the Capitol in Washington, DC.
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Trump was outraged at New Yorker story on Milley and Iran
The recording that’s now in the hands of prosecutors shows they are not only looking at Trump’s actions regarding classified documents recovered from his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, but also at what happened at Bedminster a year earlier.

The meeting in which Trump discussed the Iran document with others happened shortly after The New Yorker published a story by Susan Glasser detailing how, in the final days of Trump’s presidency, Milley instructed the Joint Chiefs to ensure Trump issued no illegal orders and that he be informed if there was any concern. The story infuriated Trump.

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Glasser reported that in the months following the election, Milley repeatedly argued against striking Iran and was concerned Trump “might set in motion a full-scale conflict that was not justified.” Milley and others talked Trump out of taking such a drastic action, according to the New Yorker story.

On the recording and in response to the story, Trump brings up the document, which he says came from Milley. Trump told those in the room that if he could show it to people, it would undermine what Milley was saying, the sources said. One source says Trump refers to the document as if it is in front of him.

Several sources say the recording captures the sound of paper rustling, as if Trump was waving the document around, though is not clear if it was the actual Iran document. There’s also laughter in the room that’s captured on the recording.

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The meeting took place well before Trump’s team shipped 15 boxes of presidential records and classified documents back to the National Archives and Records Administration in January 2022 after months of back-and-forth between his team and the records agency.

The Justice Department later obtained additional documents with classified markings from Trump, seizing more than 100 during a search of Mar-a-Lago last August. Trump’s legal team hired people to search other Trump properties, including Bedminster, late last year.

Investigators from the special counsel’s office also have asked in their document handling and obstruction investigation about other scenarios in which Trump may have shown national security documents, such as maps, to others, sources say. They’ve also asked several witnesses to share details about Trump’s anger toward Milley.

During the summer of 2021, sources say multiple people were making recordings of Trump as he held conversations with journalists and biographers.

Trump’s different explanations on the declassified documents
Trump and his attorneys have given several different, often conflicting, explanations for why Trump didn’t intentionally retain classified materials in violation of federal law. 

Initially, Trump allies argued he had a “standing declassification order” so that documents removed from the Oval Office were immediately declassified.  A few weeks later, Trump told Fox News that he could declassify things “just by thinking about it.”

Earlier this year, Trump’s legal team told Congress that classified material was inadvertently packed up at the end of the administration. Most recently, Trump told CNN at a town hall that materials were “automatically declassified” when he took them.

However, there’s no indication Trump followed the legally mandated declassification process, and his attorneys have avoided saying so far in court whether Trump declassified records he kept.