Florio: Colts willing to trade TY Hilton

[Butter]

Anything less than a 1st and no way, even then TY is not that easily replaced.

[Coltsalr]

I see the logic in the sense that this would be Ballard saying that Luck is the type of QB that can make do with lesser WR’s and that teams that pay massive amounts of resources to WR’s generally don’t win SB’s (it’s true, look it up, Denver did but their Super Bowl was hardly won due to WR’s. In fact, when they were their big contributing factor, they got walloped).

That said, this would be essentially wiping the slate clean. Hilton would be gone, and at that point you have to assume that Moncrief at the very least won’t be given an extension. Aiken has obviously done nothing to warrant an extension and Chester Rogers has apparently done nothing to warrant playing time.

With Dwayne Allen already gone, we’re talking about Luck coming back in 2018 only having previously thrown the ball to Doyle (let’s assume Gore is also gone as well). As others have said, he’d already be with a new OC/HC. Do we want COMPLETELY different skill players as well?

If you completely decimate the WR corps like that, you’re probably going to end up spending some of your resources on the position, so how much are you really gaining? I mean, do we really want this team handing out big money to Sammy Watkins and Alshon Jeffery? If we’re avoiding handing out big money, do we want a WR corps made up of free agents like Marqise Lee and Michael Floyd?

My initial gut reaction was that could be a good move to net us some assets and I do believe that building around giving a WR a huge contract was a stupid move on Grigson’s part. However, we’re a team with so few areas of strength, that decimating the WR corps would appear likely to do more harm than good, barring some massive return and/or barring some plan for the WR position that I can’t foresee.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

None of these dudes, minus this years class, were drafted by Ballard. He has no particular loyalty to them because he thinks he can bring in better. It's just how these guys think.

Though I agree Florio is full of shit, on this I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

Then fire Ballard

If his idea of getting better is getting rid of all the good players then he needs to be fired.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Coltsalr

I see the logic in the sense that this would be Ballard saying that Luck is the type of QB that can make do with lesser WR’s and that teams that pay massive amounts of resources to WR’s generally don’t win SB’s (it’s true, look it up, Denver did but their Super Bowl was hardly won due to WR’s. In fact, when they were their big contributing factor, they got walloped).

That said, this would be essentially wiping the slate clean. Hilton would be gone, and at that point you have to assume that Moncrief at the very least won’t be given an extension. Aiken has obviously done nothing to warrant an extension and Chester Rogers has apparently done nothing to warrant playing time.

With Dwayne Allen already gone, we’re talking about Luck coming back in 2018 only having previously thrown the ball to Doyle (let’s assume Gore is also gone as well). As others have said, he’d already be with a new OC/HC. Do we want COMPLETELY different skill players as well?

If you completely decimate the WR corps like that, you’re probably going to end up spending some of your resources on the position, so how much are you really gaining? I mean, do we really want this team handing out big money to Sammy Watkins and Alshon Jeffery? If we’re avoiding handing out big money, do we want a WR corps made up of free agents like Marqise Lee and Michael Floyd?

My initial gut reaction was that could be a good move to net us some assets and I do believe that building around giving a WR a huge contract was a stupid move on Grigson’s part. However, we’re a team with so few areas of strength, that decimating the WR corps would appear likely to do more harm than good, barring some massive return and/or barring some plan for the WR position that I can’t foresee.

I don't think grigson was trying to build around Hilton. I think he was just paying a good player

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

Then fire Ballard

If his idea of getting better is getting rid of all the good players then he needs to be fired.

I wouldn't agree with that until seeing how he rebuilds the roster. We would just have to trust that he knows what he's doing.

He's supposed to be good. You have to let him do his job.

[Puck]

Total rebuild. Including QB

[FatDT]

This makes no sense to me if Luck is coming back. Hilton does disappear sometimes. But he also takes over games. And most WRs suffer when the star QB goes out.

He's not that expensive, the team isn't hurting for money. I agree that overall we should let Luck make his receivers better, no need to overpay for a WR. But Hilton it's already here, already has experience with Luck, already a known quantity.

If he's traded we need to be well compensated. And even then I'd like to know why.

[Forrest Blue]

Guess my team really is dumb. Sucks because I never thought they were truly fully retarded.

He have 2 weapons, one is hurt, so let's trade the only one we still have.

1K yard receivers I guess grow on trees.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Puck

Total rebuild. Including QB

You want to trade Luck or do you think he is done?

Or are you just trying to be over the top again?

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

I wouldn't agree with that until seeing how he rebuilds the roster. We would just have to trust that he knows what he's doing.

He's supposed to be good. You have to let him do his job.

No. It is stupid. Ballard didn't draft Luck, should he go? Doyle? Anderson?

If Ballard is trying to build the browns then he can trade away the talent.