The Daniel Jones effect is difficult to quantify

[Pez]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

I get that. I just think there is a nonzero chance that AR hits it big. It depends on crap none of us are privy to. From what I can see from how he handles himself on the sideline AR doesn't appear to be sulking and seems genuinely into the team. If Jones can push the ball effectively downfield on a consistent basis it won't matter but if Jones reverts back to his Giant ways I want be able to see what we have in AR.

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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In short, it is better to have an Anthony Richardson waiting in the wings than to have a Mike Kirkland or a Curtis Painter waiting in the wings in case of an injury to the starting QB ...... at least with Richardson, the team still has a shot to overcome his limitations and mistakes, even if it is a long-shot. With a Mike Kirkland or a Curtis Painter, you have virtually no shot at all.

Good points, If Jones becomes Jones and we need a backup to step up, I would just rather see what we have in Riley Leonard.

If I was having difficulty doing my job that was paying me $7M a year, I would have a veritable fleet of people and non-people resources helping me fill in the gaps in my skill set. The return on investment is staggering.

With all AR's resources and 3 years to bring them to bear, he has managed a 5-7 record. I don't see where he is entitled to the "benefit-of-the-doubt" that the colts org is granting him.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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Another reason why they won't trade Anthony Richardson is because of the fact that football is such a brutal sport, Daniel Jones' season can end in a single play at any time in the season. And if that did happen, Richardson, as erratic, inconsistent, and frustrating as he often has been, is still a young, mobile quarterback who always has a puncher's chance to play well for at least part of a game. Last year's game against the Patriots was an example, when he had a relatively mediocre game overall for 3 and-a-half quarters, but then his sheer will, determination, athleticism, and physical strength took the team to the winning TD in the final minutes of the 4th quarter.

Peyton Manning was such a great quarterback that he could give a team the proverbial puncher's chance to beat superior teams because of his greatness. Richardson is not that ...... but Richardson's proverbial puncher's chance is the fact that his exceptional athleticism and physical strength give him a shot to overcome his own limitations in the game (erratic passing, trouble reading defenses, etc.) to still be good enough to pull out a win.


In short, it is better to have an Anthony Richardson waiting in the wings than to have a Mike Kirkland or a Curtis Painter waiting in the wings in case of an injury to the starting QB ...... at least with Richardson, the team still has a shot to overcome his limitations and mistakes, even if it is a long-shot. With a Mike Kirkland or a Curtis Painter, you have virtually no shot at all.

Well, as Tom Moore famously said. It doesn't matter who we have behind Peyton, if he goes down we're fucked.

[CletusPyle]

Shane has found the guy to execute his offense, if the OL holds up and the defense continues to improve, the Colts may be the surprise team of 2025-26!

I want to see him throw to Downs more and also get Pierce involved more....doesn't have to be deep all the time to Pierce. I can't imagine Pierce remaining a Colt if all he does is run deep routes and gets one ball thrown to him! He going to want to go elsewhere!

[albany ed]

It's way too early to think Jones will be our answer. We don't know if he was that good or the Dolphins are that bad. Can't wait to see the week two games.

Getting a future 6th round pick for AR does nothing for the team this year, except make Riley Leonard one play away from being our QB.

[Oldcolt]

Originally Posted by albany ed

It's way too early to think Jones will be our answer. We don't know if he was that good or the Dolphins are that bad. Can't wait to see the week two games.

Getting a future 6th round pick for AR does nothing for the team this year, except make Riley Leonard one play away from being our QB.

The man had all day to throw against Miami. It will be interesting to see if Denver can get pressure on him and how he responds. This is what NY fans say, he kills crummy team but has issues with teams that pressure him (who doesn't?). I am hoping that those issues were because the rest of the team in NY sucked (and Steichen has a better scheme) and he can shine here, but have no idea what will happen. It is nice to have some hope and something to watch for.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Pez

Good points, If Jones becomes Jones and we need a backup to step up, I would just rather see what we have in Riley Leonard.

If I was having difficulty doing my job that was paying me $7M a year, I would have a veritable fleet of people and non-people resources helping me fill in the gaps in my skill set. The return on investment is staggering.

With all AR's resources and 3 years to bring them to bear, he has managed a 5-7 record. I don't see where he is entitled to the "benefit-of-the-doubt" that the colts org is granting him.

Where do you get 5-7? He's 8-7.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

Well, as Tom Moore famously said ...... "It doesn't matter who we have behind Peyton, if he goes down, we're fucked.

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We were also fucked when Bert Jones went down and missed more than half of the 1978 and 1979 seasons. The Colts went from 3 consecutive division title from 1975 through 1977 to back-to-back 5-11 seasons in 1978 and 1979, and Jones' absence was overwhelmingly the biggest factor in that decline.

When Tom Brady missed the entire 2008 season, the Patriots went 11-5 with Matt Cassel at QB.

When Peyton Manning missed the entire 2011 season, the Colts went 2-14 with Kerry Collins, Curtis Painter, and Dan Orlovsky at QB.

The biggest determinant in gauging a player's value is taking said player off of the team, and seeing how they do without him.

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[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Where do you get 5-7? He's 8-7.

Might be talking about HOU and TEN from '23 and PIT from '24. He played on 31%, 33%, and 19% of the snaps in those games respectively but they go down as wins for him and not the backup.

[Pez]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Where do you get 5-7? He's 8-7.

8-7 as a starter is correct. 5-7 in games where he's played the most snaps.

The net 3 difference is:

- The Houston win in 2023 where Minshew went 19 for 23 compared to ARs 6 for 10.
- The Tits win in 2023 where Minshew went 11 for 14 compared to ARs 9 for 12.
- The Steelers win in 2024 where Flacco went 16 for 26 and AR was 3 for 4.

8-7 as a starter, sure, but Minshew should get two of those wins and Flacco should get one, that's where I get 5-7.

I don't like the guy, you cant expect me to not use statistics to my advantage.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Pez

8-7 as a starter is correct. 5-7 in games where he's played the most snaps.

The net 3 difference is:

- The Houston win in 2023 where Minshew went 19 for 23 compared to ARs 6 for 10.
- The Tits win in 2023 where Minshew went 11 for 14 compared to ARs 9 for 12.
- The Steelers win in 2024 where Flacco went 16 for 26 and AR was 3 for 4.

8-7 as a starter, sure, but Minshew should get two of those wins and Flacco should get one, that's where I get 5-7.

I don't like the guy, you cant expect me to not use statistics to my advantage.

If AR doesn't play against Houston in 2023, the Colts lose. Yes, he left early, but he left with a 14-0 lead in a game that ended 31-20. Regardless, he's in his age 23 season this year, there's still a lot of time for him to become a good QB.