2019 Free Agency Period

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

I read that KC thought he was a bad fit for the 4-3 they are changing to. We are "losing" the off season. Good. Its a rare duck that "wins" the off season and repeats in the real season. Keep doing what you're doing Ballard (although Luck to Beckham would have been a sight to see-I understand not having 50-60 million tied up in your qb and top two recievers)

Holder said the Colts were also wary of why KC would be trying to move him. Is there a locker room issue? They are also moving to a 4-3, so they may not see him as a scheme fit.

[Chaka]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

But it wasn't just a 2020 2nd. It was a 2020 2nd + a 5 year $87.5MM contract. That changes the risk calculus.

Yep - of COURSE Dee Ford is worth next year's 2nd round pick. Nobody can reasonably question that. It's the contract that makes this a harder question (and the very reason why the 49ers could get him for a 2nd in the first place).

Next year's second round pick, even if he plays well, might not make $17.5m in his first four years combined, and if he flames out the damage to the team is far less than if Dee Ford flames out at that contract.

[Oldcolt]

I try to remember exactly what the plan is that Ballard has. Build thru the trenches. He has got the offensive line on the right path. We all can see that the defensive line need development. There are upgrades available in free agency but nobody that is a game changer. Does anybody really worry about Flowers when you play NE? Stay the course and don't overpay. You may lose out on a great player once in a while but the vast majority of time you're just paying a guy for the performance he gave another team. Very happy with how free agency is going. We are trying to build a balanced team. This group has earned my trust

[Chaka]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

I try to remember exactly what the plan is that Ballard has. Build thru the trenches. He has got the offensive line on the right path. We all can see that the defensive line need development. There are upgrades available in free agency but nobody that is a game changer. Does anybody really worry about Flowers when you play NE? Stay the course and don't overpay. You may lose out on a great player once in a while but the vast majority of time you're just paying a guy for the performance he gave another team. Very happy with how free agency is going. We are trying to build a balanced team. This group has earned my trust

Well said. I agree.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

Holder said the Colts were also wary of why KC would be trying to move him. Is there a locker room issue? They are also moving to a 4-3, so they may not see him as a scheme fit.

Ford played in a 4-3 scheme in college at Auburn. So I think all the "scheme fit" talk is a little overblown. The 49'ers run a 4-3 scheme, too.

I think the bigger concern was handing over that large of a contract to a player that has had some inconsistencies, stats wise.

Ford's sack totals the first 5 years of his career - 1.5, 4.0, 10.0, 2.0 (only played 6 games), 13.0.

Ford's QB hits - 5, 11, 17, 7, 29.

I realize that very few pass rushers become available and free agent contracts can be rather bloated but he got a very nice contract. I assume the 49'ers hope he can replicate last year's totals every year of that deal. I don't think Kansas City thought he could produce consistently at that level.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

I try to remember exactly what the plan is that Ballard has. Build thru the trenches. He has got the offensive line on the right path. We all can see that the defensive line need development. There are upgrades available in free agency but nobody that is a game changer. Does anybody really worry about Flowers when you play NE? Stay the course and don't overpay. You may lose out on a great player once in a while but the vast majority of time you're just paying a guy for the performance he gave another team. Very happy with how free agency is going. We are trying to build a balanced team. This group has earned my trust

I've been assuming it for a month now--expect a DL and DE at 26 & 34. That'll give the team 4 players on the DL who were 1st and 2nd round picks of the Colts. And the grand total is 6 if you include Sheard (2nd round in 2011) and Hunt (2nd round in 2013).

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Appears the Cheats and DE John Simon are working on a new deal. Expected to be finalized today.


https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1105805792836497409

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy

Ford played in a 4-3 scheme in college at Auburn. So I think all the "scheme fit" talk is a little overblown. The 49'ers run a 4-3 scheme, too.

I think the bigger concern was handing over that large of a contract to a player that has had some inconsistencies, stats wise.

Ford's sack totals the first 5 years of his career - 1.5, 4.0, 10.0, 2.0 (only played 6 games), 13.0.

Ford's QB hits - 5, 11, 17, 7, 29.

I realize that very few pass rushers become available and free agent contracts can be rather bloated but he got a very nice contract. I assume the 49'ers hope he can replicate last year's totals every year of that deal. I don't think Kansas City thought he could produce consistently at that level.

I don't think Ford was being considered. Ford has too many question marks and also he isn't that great against the run. Ballard has said he wants his ends to be able to defend the run as well. Turay was awful in run defense last year, he doesn't want another guy out there with him compounding the problem. I think he went after both Smiths but he didn't want to spend that much. I don't think he was interested in Flowers, everyone knew Miami and Detroit were going to chase him.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy

Appears the Cheats and DE John Simon are working on a new deal. Expected to be finalized today.


https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1105805792836497409

Good for him, we should not have cut him. But it all worked out from his perspective.

[FatDT]

Yeah it worked out great for Simon. He won a SB and is getting a new contract. Both at the time and now, it looked/looks pretty dumb to cut him and then later cut whoever that 2nd year player is that couldn't hack it.