Should be FIRED??

[CletusPyle]

Originally Posted by JAFF

I have never met a SOB who had good people skills. You can hold people accountable, without being being an a hole/ dick/ SOB, and it takes less energy on your part to get people to by in.

Well, just about anybody that actually holds people accountable and demands discipline is called an SOB, especially by the people who enjoy playing the victim instead of taking personal responsibility for their actions.

[rcubed]

Originally Posted by CletusPyle

Well, just about anybody that actually holds people accountable and demands discipline is called an SOB, especially by the people who enjoy playing the victim instead of taking personal responsibility for their actions.

I guess. but holding people accountable and being an asshole are different things.

[CletusPyle]

I guess it all comes down to how you define SOB, when I say SOB I'm not thinking an asshole that treats people like shit, I am just thinking of a tough guy that doesn't take shit, and is very demanding of those that work for him. They guy might be a little arrogant and maybe not always politically correct, he might be confrontational at times, but rewards good play when warranted. Guys like that are going to be loved by some and hated by others, but they often get a lot accomplished.

Irsay always seems to hire the nice guys, Pagano, Caldwell, Reich...I agree Dungy is a good coach and a nice guy, so 1 out of 4 turned out to be a good hire! I just think we need to try someone with a little more of an edge and someone that will toughen this team up a little...I don't want dirty play, but I would like to see more aggression and attitude! Just my opinion of course....

[Dewey 5]

Originally Posted by ColtBlue

Fire both Frank and Ballard?

Give Ballard another year with new coach?

Don't fire either one lets keep being a bad team?

Why are they still here?

[Brylok]

Originally Posted by MeSayDayo

Isn't John Fox in the house still?

He has interim coach written all over him.

Holy crap, NO!

[ColtBlue]

Originally Posted by Dewey 5

Why are they still here?

Good question. One that should be answered by Irsay.

I think Frank is a good coach and done the best he can do with what talent he is been given. That falls on Ballard, getting band-aid QBs, neglecting the LT position, being to conservative in free agency, paying too much money in the wrong positions.

Has Ballard gotten talented players? Of course he has. Just not the most important positions that are needed to win in the NFL. He has had plenty of time to be aggressive getting a QB and LT and decided to be arrogant about it, so he neglects it.

I can not put all this blame on one person (Frank). He has coached well with what players he has. Never been handed a franchise QB but he can still be mediocre with shit QBs. He did pretty well with a over his prime Rivers I would like to see what he could do with a good young QB.
Frank called the best game he could against Washington with a 6th RD pick QB who is never going to be a starter after this season and almost won.

I think Sam did pretty good. He will be tested next week facing a lot better defense for sure.

So to your question, why are they still here?
Where are you Irsay???? lol

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by ColtBlue

So to your question, why are they still here?
Where are you Irsay???? lol

I am fairly certain he does not post here.

[ColtBlue]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

I am fairly certain he does not post here.

I know that. That's why I added the lol

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by CletusPyle

I guess it all comes down to how you define SOB, when I say SOB I'm not thinking an asshole that treats people like shit, I am just thinking of a tough guy that doesn't take shit, and is very demanding of those that work for him. They guy might be a little arrogant and maybe not always politically correct, he might be confrontational at times, but rewards good play when warranted. Guys like that are going to be loved by some and hated by others, but they often get a lot accomplished.

Irsay always seems to hire the nice guys, Pagano, Caldwell, Reich...I agree Dungy is a good coach and a nice guy, so 1 out of 4 turned out to be a good hire! I just think we need to try someone with a little more of an edge and someone that will toughen this team up a little...I don't want dirty play, but I would like to see more aggression and attitude! Just my opinion of course....

Dungy had an edge, he played DB for the Steelers. I was at Colts camp when he stopped practice after 2 players got into a scuffle. We could hear every word and he was not yelling. The tone was dead serious and fighting was not going to be tolerated, and he would cut anyone for fighting with a teammate. Cant do it in a game, cant do it at practice.

You can set standards and have success without being a dick. You back up your words with action.

[ColtBlue]

Originally Posted by JAFF

Dungy had an edge, he played DB for the Steelers. I was at Colts camp when he stopped practice after 2 players got into a scuffle. We could hear every word and he was not yelling. The tone was dead serious and fighting was not going to be tolerated, and he would cut anyone for fighting with a teammate. Cant do it in a game, cant do it at practice.

You can set standards and have success without being a dick. You back up your words with action.

He had an edge all right. Peyton Manning
But yes Dungy was a great coach....