Players reportedly available via trade / roster cut

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy

There have been a few players mentioned recently that are on the roster bubble that were linked to the Colts in the past via mock drafts.

Thought I would start a thread for discussion.


First up - Dam's favorite OT prospect Teven Jenkins.

Year 2 for Teven....just days into training camp and the Bears are ready to move on from him.

Obviously there is a new regime in place and they didn't draft him.

There are some rumors about maturity issues - he was demoted to second team during OTA's and reportedly wasn't happy about that.


From Rapoport:

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1554194648221958144



Garafolo adds:

https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/sta...94897380544515




Also need to remember that Jenkins slid on draft day due to injury concerns with his back. He had surgery on it last season but there were concerns that his back was going to be a chronic issue.


So anybody interested in Jenkins as depth?

And at what price - Day 3 draft pick or player? Since Eberflus is now Chicago's coach, he may be interested in a defensive player.

If a draft pick is involved, I would hope it would be a conditional draft pick based on either playing time or if he stays on the roster.

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Good info ...... thanks.

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[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by JAFF

Bill Russell, God bless his memory, seldom led the NBA in offensive stats ...... but he went 21-0 in winner take all games.

1 guy in 5 can make a huge difference ...... with 1 guy in 11, it's even harder to do.

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This is a very good point, which makes what Peyton Manning did in his tenure with the Colts all the more astounding ...... on several occasions, Manning took otherwise below-average Colts teams and still found a way to lead them to records between 10-6 and 12-4. The Colts' 2-14 record in 2011 when Manning missed the entire season with an injury was as big a testament to his almost unparalleled value as a quarterback as the fact that he lead 4 teams to Super Bowl appearances in 2006, 2009, 2013, and 2015.

On the other hand, Bill Belichick's finest and most underrated season as a head coach was in 2008, when his team went 11-5 with Matt Cassel at quarterback for an injured Tom Brady ...... making at least somewhat of an argument that Tom Brady was, to a certain degree, a systems quarterback.

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[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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This is a very good point, which makes what Peyton Manning did in his tenure with the Colts all the more astounding ...... on several occasions, Manning took otherwise below-average Colts teams and still found a way to lead them to records between 10-6 and 12-4. The Colts' 2-14 record in 2011 when Manning missed the entire season with an injury was as big a testament to his almost unparalleled value as a quarterback as the fact that he lead 4 teams to Super Bowl appearances in 2006, 2009, 2013, and 2015.

On the other hand, Bill Belichick's finest and most underrated season as a head coach was in 2008, when his team went 11-5 with Matt Cassel at quarterback for an injured Tom Brady ...... making at least somewhat of an argument that Tom Brady was, to a certain degree, a systems quarterback.

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Easy to do that kind of stuff when you cheat and the league just let's you.

That said, if people here don't think the QB position is the most important and impactful position in all of pro sports, they haven't been watching the NFL for the past 50 years. The largest contracts in all of sports go to QBs, despite football teams having larger rosters and similar salary caps to basketball and baseball teams (luxury tax in baseball, it's become a similar concept).

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Easy to do that kind of stuff when you cheat and the league just let's you.

That said, if people here don't think the QB position is the most important and impactful position in all of pro sports, they haven't been watching the NFL for the past 50 years. The largest contracts in all of sports go to QBs, despite football teams having larger rosters and similar salary caps to basketball and baseball teams (luxury tax in baseball, it's become a similar concept).

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Belichick was fined the maximum $500,000, the team was fined an additional $250,000, and they forfeited a 1st-round draft pick for Spygate I.

The Patriots were fined $1.1 Million, and forfeited a 3rd-round pick for Spygate II.

You could argue that the punishment should have been more severe, particularly for Spygate II, but the NFL didn't just let him do it. They probably should have suspended him half of a season for Spygate I, and for a full season for Spygate II.

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[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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Belichick was fined the maximum $500,000, the team was fined an additional $250,000, and they forfeited a 1st-round draft pick for Spygate I.

The Patriots were fined $1.1 Million, and forfeited a 3rd-round pick for Spygate II.

You could argue that the punishment should have been more severe, particularly for Spygate II, but the NFL didn't just let him do it. They probably should have suspended him half of a season for Spygate I, and for a full season for Spygate II.

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Basically the NFL gave them a slap on the wrist. They should have suspended Belicheat for a year w/ Spygate 1 and banned him for life w/ Spygate 2, which may not have happened if they had actually given him a legitimate penalty the first go around.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Basically the NFL gave them a slap on the wrist. They should have suspended Belicheat for a year w/ Spygate 1 and banned him for life w/ Spygate 2, which may not have happened if they had actually given him a legitimate penalty the first go around.

Even a 1 year suspension wouldn't be sufficient unless it came with the explicit understanding that a second offense would mean a lifetime ban and derecognition of all their championships and records. After all, if I win 6 championships by cheating and my only consequence is 2 years of suspension, I've still come out way ahead.

[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Basically the NFL gave them a slap on the wrist. They should have suspended Belicheat for a year w/ Spygate 1 and banned him for life w/ Spygate 2, which may not have happened if they had actually given him a legitimate penalty the first go around.

What makes it looks even more asinine is the comparison to Deflategate and Bountygate suspensions (I don't even consider fines because fining a billionaire is a joke)...

Bountygate resulted in suspensions for four players, multiple coaches including HC and DC, and the GM. Several of these were full-season suspensions. Then they lost consecutive 2nd-round picks.

Even Deflategate yielded a 4-game suspension for Brady and cost them a 1st and 4th. We all know this was a weak attempt at a makeup call for Spygate, but that just goes to further show that Spygate never got the appropriate penalty.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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Belichick was fined the maximum $500,000, the team was fined an additional $250,000, and they forfeited a 1st-round draft pick for Spygate I.

The Patriots were fined $1.1 Million, and forfeited a 3rd-round pick for Spygate II.

You could argue that the punishment should have been more severe, particularly for Spygate II, but the NFL didn't just let him do it. They probably should have suspended him half of a season for Spygate I, and for a full season for Spygate II.

o

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Basically, the NFL gave them a slap on the wrist. They should have suspended Belicheat for a year w/ Spygate 1, and banned him for life w/ Spygate 2, which may not have happened if they had actually given him a legitimate penalty the first go around.

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Excellent point ...... a 1-year suspension in the first place probably would have prevented any cheating in the second place ...... after a 1-year suspension, the next step for any future offenses would have been a lifetime ban or an indefinite suspension, something that I don't think that Belichick (or anybody in their right mind) would have been willing to risk.

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[YDFL Commish]

I'm smelling a Quinn Quitcock situation here with Jenkins.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

I'm smelling a Quinn Quitcock situation here with Jenkins.

That is a possibility. There have been some rumors questioning how much passion Jenkins has for football or if he mainly treats football as a job.

He hasn't completely ignored input from the new coaching staff, however. The new staff wanted their linemen to be more athletic and asked him to lose 20+ lbs. And Jenkins followed that advice and dropped the weight and body fat this year.