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Old 08-14-2019, 07:04 AM
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This team can win without Luck
This is an 8-8 team at best without Luck.
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Old 08-14-2019, 07:11 AM
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Well, there it is. Remember, we’ve gone from “we’re just being extra cautious”, to not being able to confirm his status for week one. All in the space of about a week.

There is no way he’s playing week one. This has obviously been serious all along, it’s just a Colts tradition to completely botch these situations in the dumbest way possible.

Now, I wait for rumors of an upcoming surgery to start floating, the team will deny it for a week or so before finally admitting it.

Our season is circling the drain right now.
They're already setting the table for him to miss multiple regular season games with the local TV sports shows playing a Ballard clip talking about how great Jacoby is and how teams win games all of the time without their starting QB. At least now they're admitting he's going to miss the entire preseason! By week 3 of the regular season they'll be able to admit he's likely to miss a few games.
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Old 08-14-2019, 08:09 AM
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They're already setting the table for him to miss multiple regular season games with the local TV sports shows playing a Ballard clip talking about how great Jacoby is and how teams win games all of the time without their starting QB. At least now they're admitting he's going to miss the entire preseason! By week 3 of the regular season they'll be able to admit he's likely to miss a few games.

That's what I am waiting for now, when do they conceded regular season games going to be missed. If that announcement comes as "at least 3 games", then I am going to side with this "Daniel Wilson" that it wasn't football and it was snow boarding. That would be two of the three things "he" reported coming to fruition- at that point with the organization confirming those things, gotta believe the other is true as well- and if so, man that is going to piss me off! This team is primed to do huge damage with him at the wheel this year, without him for 3-5 games, we're at best a WC team and we are NOT getting HFA and without that, we aren't doing SHIT other than wasting another year of this faux tiger's prime.
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Old 08-14-2019, 08:21 AM
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I don’t think it’s that bad. They just don’t want to expose him to the Browns pass rush. Assuming they’re not wearing the red jersey.

I think Luck will be out there week one, he is just being overly cautious. I think this is starting to suffer from too much media speculation and over saturation.
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Old 08-14-2019, 08:25 AM
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Jeff Swartz was just on CC, they played the audio from Ballard yesterday. It sounds ominous- he specifically says "that needs to be addressed". This article says surgery is not believed necessary- we'll see if that holds given Ballard's statement of the thing that needs to be "addressed".

Regardless, this sounds like a 4 month long hatchet job on the actual diagnosis. Had to go to a specialist recently to get this diagnosis- are you F'ing kidding me???? 4 MONTHS go by.... 4 F'ing months! Disgusting! Fire the entire training staff, all of them NOW!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...ighankle-issue
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:03 AM
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I don’t think it’s that bad. They just don’t want to expose him to the Browns pass rush. Assuming they’re not wearing the red jersey.

I think Luck will be out there week one, he is just being overly cautious. I think this is starting to suffer from too much media speculation and over saturation.
I am going to be optimistic with you here. It really depends on when the injury occurred. Piece a couple things together and Luck spilled the beans about two weeks ago when he said on July 31:

“I say lower leg because I feel pain in my ankle area and calf-strain,” Luc told reporters Tuesday. “I guess I’ll get a little specific – I’ve had images, X-rays and everything. My Achilles is not an extra risk. There is no tear or swelling or anything that’s indicated. So, it’s a calf-strain and we’re on our feet a lot.”

Key here is that pain in the ankle area AND calf-strain, as if two separate issues. Also, he mentions xrays and images separately. If were talking about a soft tissue injury like a calf strains, an xray would privde no insight into such. If you are getting an xray, there is a bone injury or they are looking for a bone injury.

Bone injuries take between 6-8 weeks to heal, as long as they are healing and don't need to be re-injured through surgery. If he doesnt require surgery, it's been healing for at least 2 weeks and he will be back around week 2-3. If he does require surgery, he will miss at least half the season.
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Will Carroll explains "Myositis Ossificans"

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Well I still am not going to overreact about this.

If he misses games to start the season, so be it. Get him healthy for later in the year.

Its hard to play armchair doctor and know what has happened, and especially with limited info. Just hope now that there seems to be a reason for him not improving they can treat it and get him better

If there is a chance he is not ready for the season though they need to start considering if Brissett or Kelly is the better one to be the starter week one. I am sure they prefer Brissett, he has been with the team, started before and is the "back up". But he looked awfully bad last week.

Will be interested to see how they compare in coming weeks in preseason
. And really just get walker off the damn field now, what a waste of roster space and game time.

At least now we have a reason to be interested in the preseason.

I am not taking the "Sky is falling and all is lost!!" for the year mentality though even if Luck is not ready week one.
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Old 08-14-2019, 11:38 AM
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I am going to be optimistic with you here. It really depends on when the injury occurred. Piece a couple things together and Luck spilled the beans about two weeks ago when he said on July 31:

“I say lower leg because I feel pain in my ankle area and calf-strain,” Luc told reporters Tuesday. “I guess I’ll get a little specific – I’ve had images, X-rays and everything. My Achilles is not an extra risk. There is no tear or swelling or anything that’s indicated. So, it’s a calf-strain and we’re on our feet a lot.”

Key here is that pain in the ankle area AND calf-strain, as if two separate issues. Also, he mentions xrays and images separately. If were talking about a soft tissue injury like a calf strains, an xray would privde no insight into such. If you are getting an xray, there is a bone injury or they are looking for a bone injury.

Bone injuries take between 6-8 weeks to heal, as long as they are healing and don't need to be re-injured through surgery. If he doesnt require surgery, it's been healing for at least 2 weeks and he will be back around week 2-3. If he does require surgery, he will miss at least half the season.
Maybe they are looking for a bone spur, or maybe they are exploratory. I do know that doctors will pile on tests in order to figure something out. Partly because we live in a litigious society and they don't want to expose themselves to negligence. Luck has said he has played with way worse. I think the Colts want to get out of camp with as few injuries as possible and I think Luck cares more about week 1 than camp reps. I guess we will see, but I do think with the lack of other news this fills the vacuum, and that leads to conjecture and conspiracy theories.

Hopefully this isn't the case, I guess we will see.
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Old 08-14-2019, 12:03 PM
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So now they are no longer talking about ossification, it doesn't seem, but some sort of high ankle issue - I presume that can only mean some sort of sprain of one of the anterior ligaments...?
But there's also talk of it being a form of cumulative trauma disorder, which seems inconsistent with a mere ligament sprain.
From Ballard last night:
"From the start, he’s been dealing with a calf injury, all in March and through camp. He was dealing with a calf, and then a little area below his calf, which Andrew kind of referred to as a lower leg (two weeks ago), where he was feeling some pain, kind of in the ankle area. The injury wasn’t getting better. He hasn’t been practicing. So in the course of dealing with this calf injury, it appears now we’ve got an ankle issue. Because the injury wasn’t getting better, we wanted to explore the area around the lower leg, that Mr. Irsay was referring to as the bone. It’s called the os trigonum. We thought that might have something to do with it. But after last night, after Mr. Irsay spoke, that doesn’t appear to be the issue, so we shifted our focus to another area. We tested his ankle yesterday (Monday) with a scan. He went and saw a specialist. And it led us to an area on the front of the ankle that needs to be addressed. It’s kind of high ankle-ish. And that’s potentially referring to the posterior pain he’s getting in the posterior ankle, up by the calf and that’s why it’s happening. We’ve been treating the calf all along and even treating the lower part of this and then getting the test done on the os trigonum, to make sure that wasn’t the issue, which we don’t think it is right now, led us to the front of the ankle.”

It's not clear whether Ballard is speaking out his ass when discussing the cumulative aspect or whether this is something one of the doctors might have suggested:
“I think it’s a cumulative thing through the years. Andrew has had some ankle issues, with his left one, for a while. I think it’s just kind of a cumulative thing. I think (the previous ankle issues) exasperated the cumulative effect.”
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