Ballard and Steichen are safe

[Kray007]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

The Socials are exploding in rage at this. With good reason. We are rewarding failure, over and over and over again.

What Carlie Irsay Gordon is saying is that we won’t fire the pilot after a wing falls off the plane at 35.000 feet.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by Kray007

What Carlie Irsay Gordon is saying is that we won’t fire the pilot after a wing falls off the plane at 35.000 feet.

The plane manufacturer sucks ass. Every fucking year the plane he builds has the wing fall off, and typically the engines catch fire first, the shitter explodes mid flight, and the pilots are asleep at the wheel because they were drunk off their ass when they boarded the plane.

Do you not see the fucking recurring pattern with what shitbag Ballard has built?

What will it be next year, the turf in LOS turns out to be made of toxic chemicals and all our players have Lupus????

Dude, every year it's some fucking dramatic collapse of shit with this fucking moron----- EVERY FUCKING YEAR!

[Puck]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

The plane manufacturer sucks ass. Every fucking year the plane he builds has the wing fall off, and typically the engines catch fire first, the shitter explodes mid flight, and the pilots are asleep at the wheel because they were drunk off their ass when they boarded the plane.

Do you not see the fucking recurring pattern with what shitbag Ballard has built?

What will it be next year, the turf in LOS turns out to be made of toxic chemicals and all our players have Lupus????

Dude, every year it's some fucking dramatic collapse of shit with this fucking moron----- EVERY FUCKING YEAR!

Honest question. Do you think that Jim had any influence on the way CB built the team? The way he used FA? Who he drafted?

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

The plane manufacturer sucks ass. Every fucking year the plane he builds has the wing fall off, and typically the engines catch fire first, the shitter explodes mid flight, and the pilots are asleep at the wheel because they were drunk off their ass when they boarded the plane.

Do you not see the fucking recurring pattern with what shitbag Ballard has built?

What will it be next year, the turf in LOS turns out to be made of toxic chemicals and all our players have Lupus????

Dude, every year it's some fucking dramatic collapse of shit with this fucking moron----- EVERY FUCKING YEAR!

Rofl. I needed this. Comedy gold even though you failed to mention the stewardesses were required to wear flat billed caps!

[albany ed]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

The Socials are exploding in rage at this. With good reason. We are rewarding failure, over and over and over again.

I guess Carlie is just another Irsay. All sincere talk, no real action.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Kray007

My understanding is that Cobb and Speaker didn’t ever throw a game, they just bet on one they believed was fixed.

As far as ignoring it, the fact is that after the scandal came to Landis’s attention, neither man ever managed another game.

And, I’m just curious ...... what could Landis have done differently in the Black Sox scandal ???

o


Cobb and Speaker threw a game, they did not just bet on them.

Regarding the Black Sox, Landis should not have banned Buck Weaver, as Weaver specifically asked for a separate trial from his teammates, and was denied. Weaver appealed his banning every year until the day that he died in 1956, and Landis refused to accept the fact that Weaver played to the best of his abilities and never took a dime in regard to the fix ...... the notion that Weaver necessarily should have "promptly told his ball club about it" completely belies and is in direct contradiction to his extremely lax, dismissing of the Ty Cobb/Tris Speaker game-fixing incident, an incident of which there was documentation that they both threw a game and bet on games ...... with the Black Sox, Landis' blanket/extreme decision to ban each and every one of them, regardless of the fact that they were all exonerated in a court of law, and regardless of the fact that 2 of the players played to the best of their abilities (Weaver and Jackson), set the precedent that he was to be a "No nonsense/no tolerance" commissioner, and that he would deal with any and all accusations of fixing and betting on games harshly and firmly, with no wiggle room for any kind of nuance.


Landis' milquetoast, nonchalant handling of the Cobb/Speaker incident, particularly his statement that he was dropping the case "because it happened before he was commissioner," completely belies his handling of the Black Sox situation (particularly in the case of Buck Weaver), which proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that his interest first and foremost was grandstanding and expedience, not to rid the game of corruption.

o

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the trial a complete sham ???

o


The trial was a sham.

3 signed confessions were mysteriously lost.

2 of the confessions were legitimate (Cicotte and Williams) while the 3rd "confession" was not (Joe Jackson) ...... Jackson could not read and write, and was coerced into signing the confession with an X mark. Jackson's "confession" was completely written out for him in advance.

o

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

I could definitely see this playing out where Landis saw the Cobb/Speaker game as the tip of the iceberg, so decided it best to keep the punishment in house (Cobb and Speaker were both let go from their respective teams in 1926 and never rehired as managers) and then write into the MLB bylaws the penatlies for gambling on the game. Pure speculation on my part, but IMO not unreasonable at all. And it aligns w/ the final tidbit from the article I posted yesterday as from what I know about Cobb he would definitely be the type that if he's going down he's taking the ship with him.

o


This is what make Landis a complete phony, hypocrite, and why he deserves no credit for allegedly "cleaning up baseball."

With the Black Sox, Landis made it abundantly clear, with no wiggle room whatsoever, not even for Buck Weaver and Joe Jackson who both played to the best of their abilities, that any type of fixing and/or gambling would not be tolerated, and that they would never play professional baseball ever again.

But when he had hard evidence of other games being fixed (and gambled on), and with Ty Cobb asserting that if he went down he would tell all and bring many others down with him, Landis conveniently acted like a big pussy, and ignored it ........ Therefore, Landis DID NOT clean up baseball ...... he carefully and expediently cherry-picked which scandal (and which players) that he would come down hard on, and when an even bigger mess was put on his desk, he ignored it ....... that was nothing short of cowardly and disingenuous, and it absolutely drives home the point that I have been making about him all along. If Ty Cobb had hard evidence of 30 or 40 other players fixing games, and if Landis TRULY wanted to clean up the game and give it credibility, then Landis would have and should have dealt with each and every one of those players and banned them all for life, just like he did with the Black Sox ........ but he didn't do that, therefore her was a complete hypocrite, therefore he did not "clean up" baseball, and he deserves no credit other than coming along after the fact and conveniently dealing with only what he chose to deal with.

o

[YDFL Commish]

And it continues!

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

o


I like Ballard.

o

Not my point. Nobody cares whatever happened a century ago that is not relevant to a topic that this forum is meant to discuss.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

Not my point. Nobody cares whatever happened a century ago that is not relevant to a topic that this forum is meant to discuss.

To be fair there are at least 4 regular posters who have been discussing this over the past couple of days. But if you really want I suppose we can go back to arguing over whether Ballard should have been fired or not.