Ballard and Steichen are safe

[Hoopsdoc]

Not sure how I feel about this. I can see both sides of the argument.

[Dewey 5]

We're screwed. Is Ballard banging Carlie?

[Lov2fish]

I was on the boat of, if they went good. If they stayed, good. I know SS is green and he shows flashes of being a great coach. Then he does stuff remedial football players know are wrong. Since he is going to be here I hope he watches film on himself and sorts it out. Ballard struggles with certain aspects of talent evaluation, and excels at others. Maybe he can put his ego aside and get someone to help him where he is weak. A stretch I know, but as a fan I can wish.

[Puck]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

Not sure how I feel about this. I can see both sides of the argument.

I agree. We saw how it looks when were full strength. Shane has obviously done a very good job when he has a good QB. Injuries screwed us.

I will continue to say this even though many disagree. Jim held Ballard back on FA. IMO This yr he went for it and it made us a pretty good team Again Injuries screwed us.

IIRC Both Ballard and Shane are under contract through 2026. They will get paid no matter what. So they would have to pay their replacements also.

replacements would be coming in knowing they do not have a 1st round pick for the next two drafts.

I do expect we will be losing some players like some or most of us want gone

[Kray007]

No one should be surprised. Until their starting Quarterback broke his leg, they were one of the most dominant Offenses in the league. On D, few teams could overcome the avalanche of injuries that sank that side of the ball into mediocrity. In addition to losing Ward, Gardner and Buckner, they lost Walley before the season began and injuries kept their most promising cover Linebacker, Carlies, on the sidelines.

Some will try to say that it’s possible to overcome injuries. They’ll point to San Francisco as evidence. The difference is that the 49’ers were never reduced to signing someone like Phillip Rivers off the street. They never played a game in which they started a 6th round draft pick who was 4th on the depth chart.

If you want to see the impact of a catastrophic rash of injuries at QB, look no further than Kansas City, where their 3rd stringer managed 260 yards passing in 3 games and KC scored a cumulative 34 points.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by Kray007

No one should be surprised. Until their starting Quarterback broke his leg, they were one of the most dominant Offenses in the league. On D, few teams could overcome the avalanche of injuries that sank that side of the ball into mediocrity. In addition to losing Ward, Gardner and Buckner, they lost Walley before the season began and injuries kept their most promising cover Linebacker, Carlies, on the sidelines.

Some will try to say that it’s possible to overcome injuries. They’ll point to San Francisco as evidence. The difference is that the 49’ers were never reduced to signing someone like Phillip Rivers off the street. They never played a game in which they started a 6th round draft pick who was 4th on the depth chart.

If you want to see the impact of a catastrophic rash of injuries at QB, look no further than Kansas City, where their 3rd stringer managed 260 yards passing in 3 games and KC scored a cumulative 34 points.

Riley Leonard made a very compelling argument today that Rivers should never have been signed. To me, that move turned out to be the most egregious mistake they made, and it was all on Steichen.

If they would have fired them all because of that move alone, I would have been fine with it.

[Kray007]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

Riley Leonard made a very compelling argument today that Rivers should never have been signed. To me, that move turned out to be the most egregious mistake they made, and it was all on Steichen.

If they would have fired them all because of that move alone, I would have been fine with it.

Leonard looked great and, in retrospect, playing him might have been the right move. But no one could have predicted that he’d play this well.

After Jones went down vs Jacksonville, he completed 18 of 29 for 145 yards, with 29 coming on a single play. He tossed 1 interception and finished the game with an NFL rating of 60.

The team was demoralized, and starting him would have been perceived, far and wide, as going belly up and running out the white flag.

[Puck]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

Riley Leonard made a very compelling argument today that Rivers should never have been signed. To me, that move turned out to be the most egregious mistake they made, and it was all on Steichen.

If they would have fired them all because of that move alone, I would have been fine with it.

When they brought Rivers in They still had a chance to make the playoffs. RL had just injured his knee and he was the only available QB on the team. They knew they needed a QB to either back up Riley or start. They brought in Phil. He already knew the offense with no learning curve. He has experience and he gave them the best chance of beating the teams on the schedule. We were in 2 of the three games until the final drive.

Leonard played very well today, but IMO he was not ready to put the team on his shoulders to get us in the playoffs.

That is what happened to AR. He was rushed into it and failed I am glad they haven't rushed RL. That was a mistake with AR and I hope the coaches have learned. The kid probably has a future but he won't if he is put under to much pressure right out of the gate.

We did't have much of a chance to make the playoff once Daniel went down,
maybe even before that. Everyone bitching about Phil not getting the wins. Can you imagine that kid getting all that thrown at him if he didn't win. Yea some will say we would have understood. But there would be a lot of people trashing him and saying he should have never been drafted.

The Colts did the right thing in my mind.

I like Riley a lot. Loved it when he was drafted. But he is not ready yet and ANYONE wanting to rush him in there needs to take a step back and think about the entire situation.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

Not sure how I feel about this. I can see both sides of the argument.

Same. It's probably the best for next year, but not so sure long term. As I said in another post if inherit a business that's been in the red for 5 straight years and 7 of the last 9 then it's probably time to move on from your COO.

Also, I'm pretty disappointed that we lost to HOU after they put in most of their backups in the 2nd half. Especially disappointed w/ how our OL performed against their backup DL.

[YDFL Commish]

I know that nobody wants to hear this. But both Ballard and Steichen are being graded on this season, and this season only.

The sins of the father were not taken into account.