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[Thorgrim]

We had jello today

[CletusPyle]

If Leonard starts next week, which he certainly should, it won't be because Ballard wants him too...maybe Shane or CIG, but not Ballard. Because if the kid plays well, and I think he will, Ballard will look like even more of a fool!

[sherck]

Playing Rivers today had absolutly zero use to the Colts team. No chance to continue in the playoffs and no chance he is playing here next year. Useless after Houston won yesterday.

I agree that i would have preferred to see if Leonard has anything in the tank than to see Phillip and know for sure he has very little left in the tank.

Facts:

A. No one knows if Daniel Jones will be ready to play next season, and if he gets cleared to play, will be effective. That will now be his second reconstructed knee. No one knows how he will respond. Sure, he MAY come back in time for Training Camp and pick up where he left off in 2025 but it is a huge unknown. He may come back during the season. If anyone says for certain that he will return by a certain date and he will be effective, they are smoking crack.

B. Phillip Rivers will be back coaching his high school team in 2026.

C. Anthony Richardson is a comlete unknown. Is he healthy enough to play football in 2026? Did he lose an eyeball? Did extensive testing indeed tell him that his bones are made out of glass? And if he is healthy, he has had little to zero chance to develop over the past year.

D. Riley Leonard is a nearly complete unknown. Sure, he looked....okay....in his one chance to play this season but does not appear to have many of the traits that quality NFL QBs possess. But he is healthy which is something we cannot say about options A and C above.

That is the state of the Colts QB position.

Free agents? Not much out there.

Jones is a free agent; how much is he worth to take the chance on him and his health to retain him?

Lots of things for a new GM and HC to determine as they start their Colts era.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by CletusPyle

If Leonard starts next week, which he certainly should, it won't be because Ballard wants him too...maybe Shane or CIG, but not Ballard. Because if the kid plays well, and I think he will, Ballard will look like even more of a fool!

I will be shocked if they start him. To your point, there is a lot of downside risk for both of them him actually playing well. These two seem like the type that would pimp their own daughter out if they thought it could benefit them.

[Puck]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

If he’s not any better than what we saw today, why is he on the team?

There is also the fact that, if he isn’t ready now, what better way for him to learn than to be out there? There is always the chance that he’s a fast learner and can learn on the job. I know the chances of that happening are almost zero, but at least Leonard offers SOME kind of possibility.


Everyone likes Rivers but he’s done. He’s washed. There is ZERO reason for him to be playing. He shouldn’t have been playing today.

He offers absolutely NOTHING, for either this season or the future.

IMO. they knew they were losing Sam So they needed a practice squad guy to run that unit. They had DJ and AR. Not sure any team actually depends on the 3rd string QB to actually play unless its an emergency.

As far as Rivers today. There was still a chance for us to make the playoffs until the Texans beat the Chargers. He took all the 1st team reps. Once it was done they let him play in front of his family and his team from Ala one last time.


I think you all will see Riley is about the same as Sam. And he wasn't a starter either.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by CletusPyle

If Leonard starts next week, which he certainly should, it won't be because Ballard wants him too...maybe Shane or CIG, but not Ballard. Because if the kid plays well, and I think he will, Ballard will look like even more of a fool!

That doesn’t make sense. The only reason Rivers is here is because of Steichen. So it’s more likely Steichen doesn’t want Leonard playing.

Why would Ballard not want Leonard playing?

[Lov2fish]

Just got home. I was on the sidelines when some were out there warming up. Whomever said Riley can't throw a ball ifs fucking retarded. He was throwing 40 yard darts. Unlike Rivers fucking helium balloons he was launching.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by Puck

IMO. they knew they were losing Sam So they needed a practice squad guy to run that unit. They had DJ and AR. Not sure any team actually depends on the 3rd string QB to actually play unless its an emergency.

As far as Rivers today. There was still a chance for us to make the playoffs until the Texans beat the Chargers. He took all the 1st team reps. Once it was done they let him play in front of his family and his team from Ala one last time.


I think you all will see Riley is about the same as Sam. And he wasn't a starter either.

That’s a fair point regarding the practice reps.

However, I’m not sold on Leonard being about the same as Sam. Certainly not in terms of arm talent.

Sam would never have been able to make that Hail Mary throw today. His arm has never been strong enough to play in the NFL.

[sherck]

Originally Posted by Lov2fish

Just got home. I was on the sidelines when some where out there warming up. Whomever said Riley can't throw a ball ifs fucking retarded. He was throwing 40 yard darts. Unlike Rivers fucking helium balloons he was launching.

The biggest mark agains Leonard that I have is that after watching cuts from his college career, he:

A. Has issues throwing from the pocket; he would much prefer to roll-out.

B. Tends to pull the ball down too quickly and run.

Both of those can work in college; neither work long-term in the NFL because everyone is at least as good of an athlete as you.

His arm strength was never in doubt.

While the odds are against him, I would rather have seen Leonard play these last four weeks and lose just like Rivers did but get some development than do the experiment we did with Rivers. Rivers entertained me but did nothing to advance the team.

How was being on the sideline vs being in the stands?

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by Lov2fish

Just got home. I was on the sidelines when some where out there warming up. Whomever said Riley can't throw a ball ifs fucking retarded. He was throwing 40 yard darts. Unlike Rivers fucking helium balloons he was launching.

He has a pretty live arm, he just has a wildly inaccurate arm. To me, he is not as guess where it is gonna go as AR, but he isn't that far off either. The problem is it is particularly obvious when he is given a well formed, 3-6 second NFL type of pocket. It's like he can't relax and just throw it in those situations so he aims it instead.

I will say his improv game, especially on designed pocket rolls, is pretty solid. He did that shit to ND against them and that's why they had him as their QB doing that shit to others last year.

He is undoubtedly a tough and competitive kid though. His performance in the natty last year was testimony to that.