Week 4: Grading Brissett & Other Notes

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by Pez

I'm not sure about this, through three games Mack had the 3rd best yardage total. I get a similar vibe as you, that the OL isnt playing as well as it did last year, but at the same time I think also that were Looking at the Raiders game and drawing conclusions that are perhaps too general.

Last year it took several games for the OL to develop into the top-notch unit they ended the season as. This is the biggest gripe I have about coaching. The team should be prepared from week 1 to dominate, it should not take them 5 weeks to figure out.

That isn't coaching. The league set teams up to fail with so few offseason and training camp days in pads compared to years past.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

That isn't coaching. The league set teams up to fail with so few offseason and training camp days in pads compared to years past.

That was negotiated in the deal with the players.

[Pez]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

That isn't coaching. The league set teams up to fail with so few offseason and training camp days in pads compared to years past.

Hm... That doesnt make sense to me. Why would such affect the OL more than it would an opposing defense? One would presume that the defense spent the same amount of time (or lack therof) in pads prior to the season?

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by Pez

Hm... That doesnt make sense to me. Why would such affect the OL more than it would an opposing defense? One would presume that the defense spent the same amount of time (or lack therof) in pads prior to the season?

Because an offensive line needs to behave like a single organism with supreme coordination and the ability to adapt quickly and cohesively to whatever the defense does. It takes time for 5 guys to develop that kind of cohesiveness, so you see an impact when you limit the number of days in pads to expose them to the array of stunts and blitzes they'll see in live action.

I generally hate military analogies with football, but think of it as giving one group of marines half the combat training as the other half. Would you expect them to be equally prepared at the start of live action?

[HoosierinFL]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

Because an offensive line needs to behave like a single organism with supreme coordination and the ability to adapt quickly and cohesively to whatever the defense does. It takes time for 5 guys to develop that kind of cohesiveness, so you see an impact when you limit the number of days in pads to expose them to the array of stunts and blitzes they'll see in live action.

I generally hate military analogies with football, but think of it as giving one group of marines half the combat training as the other half. Would you expect them to be equally prepared at the start of live action?

sure but that was supposed to be an advantage of getting the same group back as last year, working together all through TC.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by HoosierinFL

sure but that was supposed to be an advantage of getting the same group back as last year, working together all through TC.

Still takes time.

Glowinski has been pretty awful, so a weak link doesn’t help matters either.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by HoosierinFL

sure but that was supposed to be an advantage of getting the same group back as last year, working together all through TC.

But, in a new system.

[Oldcolt]

I disagree. Once we got to full strength last year this line was dominant. They are very young, mostly, and I expected improvement. Instead there is, in my mind, a step back. Now the run defense has taken a huge step back and there is the same coach so maybe it isn't coaching. It's curious that we have essentially the same players physically but have regressed so much. Usually you might say father time has caught up with us but that is not the case here. Hopefully just a bad stretch

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

I disagree. Once we got to full strength last year this line was dominant. They are very young, mostly, and I expected improvement. Instead there is, in my mind, a step back. Now the run defense has taken a huge step back and there is the same coach so maybe it isn't coaching. It's curious that we have essentially the same players physically but have regressed so much. Usually you might say father time has caught up with us but that is not the case here. Hopefully just a bad stretch

I don't think this is supported by the evidence. Here's the 2018 numbers vs 2019 on a few stats:

Sacks: 18 / 24 (pace thru 4 games)
QB Hits: 77 / 68 (pace thru 4 games)
YPC: 4.2 / 4.6

They've had more negative run plays thus far, but I chalk most of that up to defenses keying on the running game w/o Luck behind center.

[HoosierinFL]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

But, in a new system.

what new system? It's still the same offense, same coordinator, same blocking scheme. New 0-line coach didn't install a new system...?