2023 Draft QBs

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

I admit the truth and accept the fact that Lawrence can not throw with anticipation or make a full field read. May he never learn those skills.

You denied it when I said he scored an 18. Now you move the goalposts and explain it away. You’re insufferable. And his score says he might be borderline retarded.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

Lots of disinformation going on it seems. Particularly around Stroud. New S2 leak says he got an 18 on the test.

https://twitter.com/shanephallam/sta...L8ardaxv32vrGQ

Don’t know if I buy this though. Doesn’t seem to match the other scores. Also the creator of the S2 test went on the Pff podcast and said all the numbers being leaked are wrong.

Not surprised at all by that. It's lying season. Maybe that's coming from the Colts?

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

I tried to look up past and didn't find much, just some anecdotes. Even with those, what do we make of it? Like I read that Joe Burrow scored really high so this must have some merit to it, right? Then I read that Justin Fields scored as high as Burrow did and I think, "Oh, so this test doesn't mean shit."

Fields is a good passer, he did a lot of pro concepts at Ohio State (don't take my word for it, go watch JT O'Sullivan talk about the Ryan Day offense). I don't know that the test doesn't mean anything. I also don't know that a low score is some kiss of death for a QB. I just know that if S2 measures anticipation and processing speed, CJ Stroud scoring an 18 is the opposite of what I'd expect based on the tape.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

You denied it when I said he scored an 18. Now you move the goalposts and explain it away. You’re insufferable. And his score says he might be borderline retarded.

I said I wanted to see some level of proof of it. That was provided. When I saw that, I said it doesn't make sense with the tape. I'm not trying to "explain it away", I'm saying his tape shows anticipation and excellent processing, which is the opposite of that score. The creator of the test said the leaked numbers are wrong, not me. So take that for what it's worth. All this stuff coming out about Stroud right at the end of draft season really seems like some team trying to get Stroud to fall.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

I heard on Nashville sports talk radio that there are three huge red flags with stroud.
1. Possibly uncoachable. On the sidelines, he looks bored.
2. S2 scores were low.
3. Supposedly committed to attend Manning Passing Academy, and then blew them off.

FWIW

So I've seen these rumors out there as well. Don't know about the uncoachable part, this would come from the OSU coaches and is probably kept within circles and scouts. As for looking bored... I don't know that's subjective. Is his body language bad? I noticed a scout mention it in the latest Colts draft video.

S2 score. I saw some actual scores posted online in one of my posts above, but don't know if they are accurate. The S2 guy went on PFF podcast and said all the leaked scores are incorrect.

The Manning Passing Academy thing would have been for last year as a counselor. From what I've read they asked him to come last minute and he already had a full schedule and had to refuse. Seems perfectly reasonable to me if it was a last minute ask.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

I know you're speculating/joking, but any explanation like that is obviously a bigger red flag that the shitty score itself. Of course I never heard about any character issues with the kid until this past week.

No doubt. It would be just as big of a red flag as the ones Jalen Carter has been flying since the national championship game. Like you said though, just a joke speculation on my part.

[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Not surprised at all by that. It's lying season. Maybe that's coming from the Colts?



Fields is a good passer, he did a lot of pro concepts at Ohio State (don't take my word for it, go watch JT O'Sullivan talk about the Ryan Day offense). I don't know that the test doesn't mean anything. I also don't know that a low score is some kiss of death for a QB. I just know that if S2 measures anticipation and processing speed, CJ Stroud scoring an 18 is the opposite of what I'd expect based on the tape.

Yeah, I think there's just not enough data on it yet. Also, these leaked scores could all be fucked up. Depending on the source, I've read that these reported scores are:



-The overall number grades out of 100 (which means he bombed).

or

-What percentile they scored in among other participants (18th percentile is still not good, but the actual scores could theoretically be way closer than the 75-point gap being reported).

or

-Only one score based on one of the nine sections of the test (so he could've bombed one particular section and excelled in others).

[Chromeburn]

So this came out a couple hours ago.

https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2023/04/...oung-cj-stroud

[Brylok]

Imagine thinking any of these guys are going to be as good as Trevor Lawrence...

Five and a half days to go. Calgon, take me away!

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Brylok

Imagine thinking any of these guys are going to be as good as Trevor Lawrence...

Five and a half days to go. Calgon, take me away!

Imagine thinking Trevor Lawrence is going to be better than all the QBs in this class...

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Imagine thinking Trevor Lawrence is going to be better than all the QBs in this class...

I hope he isn't, but it isn't much of a stretch to imagine it being possible. He has the tools, and only being in Jacksonville could actually screw him up. Too bad they got rid of Meyer so quickly.