Super Bowl 59 (Chiefs vs. Eagles)

[Colts And Orioles]

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[Spike]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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YUCK!!!! Was really wanting Bills vs. Washington. Oh well. Guess I'll be pulling for the Eagles now.

[HoosierinFL]

A completely predictable pairing, but also super boring. I officially don't care.

[Colts And Orioles]

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In the 1960's the Green Bay Packers won 5 World Championships, and made it to 6 World Championship games ...... I would rather be the Packers of the 60's or the Chiefs of today than be a richer team that was less successful on the field.




No Matter How Many Super Bowls the Chiefs Win, the Eagles Will Be More Valuable

(By Brett Knight)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brettkn...more-valuable/



Kansas City’s small market overshadows its big-time success on the field, leaving it nearly $2 billion behind Philadelphia in Forbes’ NFL team rankings.



The Kansas City Chiefs had the best record in the NFL this season, and two seasons ago, and a couple of years before that, and across the last seven years in aggregate. They won championships in the 2019, 2022 and 2023 seasons and, with a victory on February 9, can become the first team in NFL history with a Super Bowl three-peat.

But while the Chiefs are 1.5-point favorites for next Sunday’s game against the Philadelphia Eagles, they are longtime financial underdogs.

On Forbes’ most recent list of the NFL’s most valuable teams, Kansas City ranked 24th at $4.85 billion—16 spots and $1.75 billion behind Philadelphia (No. 8, $6.6 billion). The disparity would be even more glaring going off the Eagles’ sale of an 8% stake last month at a reported $8.3 billion valuation (with the caveat that prices of small slivers of teams generally do not translate to the numbers in control stake transactions.)

Regardless of which big number you use, the Chiefs have not won the two teams’ head-to-head financial battle since 2001, two years before Lincoln Financial Field opened in Philadelphia and transformed the Eagles’ economics. And despite building a dynasty over the past decade, Kansas City has fallen below the average NFL valuation every year since Forbes began ranking pro football teams in 1998.

That might be a surprise to anyone who knows the Chiefs primarily for the star power of quarterback Patrick Mahomes and tight end Travis Kelce—marketing darlings who each earned a place among the NFL’s 10 highest-paid players this season—or has watched Kansas City steamroll its on-field competition, with 10 straight playoff appearances and five trips to the Super Bowl in the last six years. In the NFL, however, winning doesn’t guarantee big numbers on the financial scoreboard, and losing isn’t always bad for business. Look no further than the Dallas Cowboys, who last won a title 29 years ago but are the only sports team in the world worth more than $10 billion.

“Some revenues are going to be sensitive to team performance,” says Steve Vogel, managing director of the sports finance group at U.S. Bank, “but the model that the NFL has enables there to be less volatility. And so teams can absorb the bad times a lot easier than you might experience in other leagues.”

Last season, according to Forbes estimates, each of the NFL’s 32 teams took home more than $400 million from the league’s national deals, including sponsorships and a media rights package that should pay out more than $126 billion over 11 years. For every team except the Cowboys, that figure represented more than half of its total revenue.

NFL teams are also limited in how much they benefit directly from postseason success because the league collects the vast majority of revenue from playoff games and redistributes it in equal shares. The stipend may not cover all of the expenses that come with a deep run, either. “Typically, when teams win the Super Bowl, for a short period of time, they actually have a net-negative financial result,” notes Marc Ganis, president of the consulting firm Sportscorp, who is often called the NFL’s “33rd owner” because of his close ties to football’s decision makers.


Over the longer term, winning produces a larger and more enthusiastic fan base, with the added demand enabling the team to raise ticket prices and attract a broader pool of sponsors. But it actually requires sustained success, like the New England Patriots’ dynastic stretch from 2001 to 2019, which featured 17 playoff berths and six Super Bowl victories. “During that successful period, sure, you’re seeing some growth,” says Edwin E. Draughan, a partner at sports investment bank Park Lane, “but the longstanding valuation creation will be towards the tail end and afterwards.”

For now, the Chiefs have more than doubled in value since Mahomes took over as their starting quarterback in 2018, and climbed 1,790% across the 26-year history of Forbes’ valuation list, more than three times the S&P 500’s growth in that time. But Kansas City still lags behind the Eagles with its team-specific revenue ($187 million vs. $246 million last season, according to Forbes estimates). And the 8.2x revenue multiple behind Forbes’ valuation of the Chiefs trails the Eagles’ 10.2x, showing that potential investors are less keen on the franchise and its revenue growth prospects.

By Forbes’ count, Philadelphia has the edge in every major revenue stream—from sponsorships to ticket sales to concessions and more—and ranked in the top third of the NFL almost across the board last season. The Chiefs, meanwhile, were ninth in stadium naming rights, merchandise and parking but were generally below league average otherwise.

“It’s the market,” Ganis says. “The Philadelphia market is so much larger, financially stronger, more diverse than the Kansas City market that the Eagles can sell everything from suites to naming rights to advertising, sponsorships and even tickets for a significantly higher price.” With Philadelphia ranking eighth nationally with a metropolitan statistical area population of 6.2 million, compared with 2.2 million for No. 31 Kansas City, the City of the Brotherly Shove also has the upper hand in Forbes’ team valuations for MLB (No. 7 vs. No. 28) and MLS (No. 12 vs. No. 16).

In addition, the Eagles “have invested in huge ways in their stadium,” Vogel says. “The Chiefs have been a little bit more limited just given how old that stadium is.” Only two NFL home fields have been around longer than Kansas City’s Arrowhead Stadium, which opened in 1972.

The Chiefs are, naturally, trying to do something about that. Last year, they laid out plans for an $800 million Arrowhead upgrade, but Jackson County taxpayers in April rejected a sales tax initiative that would have funded the project. As the Chiefs consider alternatives for a renovation or a new stadium altogether, they sent an email survey to fans last month seeking feedback on potential features and amenities.

From the team’s perspective, the upside is clear: a revenue lift from luxury suites and communal clubs, areas where Kansas City collectively ranked 25th in the NFL last season, according to Forbes estimates. The Chiefs have jumped on an industry-wide trend by creating eight new clubs in recent years, but ultimately, “they can only do so much” with the space they have, Draughan says.

In the meantime, the Chiefs have been thinking about how to transcend their stadium and their market. Over the last three years, they have acquired marketing rights in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Mexico from the NFL, which regulates teams’ international efforts. “We have a first-ballot Hall of Fame head coach, a first-ballot Hall of Fame quarterback, a first-ballot Hall of Fame tight end,” Chiefs president Mark Donovan told Forbes last February. “If we don’t aspire to be the world’s team, then we’ve failed. We have to take advantage of that.”

To this point, the returns have been in brand expansion and awareness. Donovan said last year that Kansas City’s revenue in the three European countries had been roughly $1 million for 2023 and that the Chiefs were hoping to reach break-even there in 18 months.

But even if that initiative doesn’t pan out—and even if the Chiefs remain football’s 24th-most-valuable team forever—they’re still in a good spot. Only 15 non-NFL sports teams are more valuable, and only 18 were more profitable, according to Forbes estimates. And the combination of the scarcity of teams and the prospect of even more lucrative media rights deals down the line has Vogel bullish about the NFL’s growth.

“From my seat, working with front offices and with owners, no one is too caught up in where they stand from a ranking perspective,” he says. “Owners are working together on the macro growth.”

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[albany ed]

While like most of us on this board, I don't have a horse in this race, I do appreciate greatness. No team in the history of Super Bowls has won 3 Lombardis in a row. If the Chiefs can do that, the new goal for the Colts will be to win 4 in a row.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by albany ed

While like most of us on this board, I don't have a horse in this race, I do appreciate greatness. No team in the history of Super Bowls has won 3 Lombardis in a row ...... ) if the Chiefs can do that, the new goal for the Colts will be to win 4 in a row. )

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The goal always was 4 in a row for the Colts ...... the Packers were the first team to win 3 legitimate world championships in a row in 1965, 1966, and 1967.

I say "legitimate" because 1933 was the first season in which all NFL teams played the same number of games, and decided the world championship on the field with the champion of the East and West divisions pitted against each other ...... the Packers also technically won 3 consecutive world titles in 1929, 1930, and 1931, but the NFL prior to 1933 had teams playing a different number of games (some teams would play as many as 19 games while others played as few as 10 games), AND there was no playoff ...... the NFL simply took the team with the best winning percentage in however many games they played, and declared them to be world champions.

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[Spike]

I just hope this game is not decided by the refs. It's no secret that a lot of NFL fans see that the Chiefs have benefited greatly by ref calls. Doesn't have to be this way with the technology available. If somehow the refs do that BS in this SB, all hell will break loose. Maybe that's what it's going to take to get that shithead Goodell fired. Well, enough about that rant.

I guess I will be rooting for the Eagles, I'd like to see Barkley get a ring. On a positive note, at least the Patriots, Steelers and Cowboys aren't playing in this game.

[Colts And Orioles]

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This woman was born in 1922 ...... 11 years before the Eagles became an NFL franchise, in 1933.



102-Year-Old Eagles Diehard Fan Excited to Be Attending Super Bowl 59

(By Christie Ileto)

https://6abc.com/post/102-year-old-e...eans/15885510/







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[albany ed]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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The goal always was 4 in a row for the Colts ...... the Packers were the first team to win 3 legitimate world championships in a row in 1965, 1966, and 1967.

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I have a hard time counting the legitimacy of the 1965 championship. Chandler's game tying FG that put the game into OT was clearly wide right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IF5dh456Kw

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by albany ed

I have a hard time counting the legitimacy of the Packers' 1965 championship, because Don Chandler's game-tying FG that put the game into OT was clearly wide right.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IF5dh456Kw

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The 2 biggest historical robberies of Colts teams occurred in 1965 and 1967.


The 1965 Colts should have had a rematch with the Cleveland Browns, who had beaten the Colts in the previous season's world championship game. As a result of that really bad call on Don Chandler's game-tying field goal which sent their playoff game with the Colts into overtime, the NFL decided that they needed to increase the height of the goal-posts ...... but that was too late for the 1965 Colts. And to top it off, the Colts were playing with a running back at quarterback (Tom Matte) because both of their QB's were injured ...... how cool would it have been to have a team playing in the world championship game with a running back at quarterback ???



The 1967 Colts were the victim of Pete Rozelle's idiocy. There were 16 teams in the NFL at the time, and 4 of them made the playoffs. The Colts were UNDEFEATED heading into the final week of the season. They lost to the Rams in the final game of the regular season, and were left sitting home with an 11-1-2 record ...... ONE LOSS, and they didn't make the playoffs !!! If Rozelle had not been such a dipshit, he would have kept the NFL with 2 divisions (East and West), and the 4 teams that would have made the playoffs would have been the 2 division winners and the next 2 teams with the best record ...... so, it would have been either 2 teams from each division making the playoffs, or 1 team from one division and 3 teams from the other division had the 3rd-place team from one division had a better record than the 2nd-place team from the other division.

But because Rozelle had such a moronic playoff format in which there were 4 divisions in a 16-team league, the 1967 Colts remain the only team in the history of professional football to not make the post-season with only 1 loss. )

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