Quick thoughts on losing to the Steelers. Again

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

I kept thinking cordarelle Patterson on 1st impression. I hope he progresses better

I was hoping for more. At the very least Percy Harvin.

[rcubed]

Thanks for the write up omaha.

Hoyer played pretty well for a (technically) 3rd string qb. He made some throws and kept us in it.

I like pascal, i hope he continues to mature. I think campbell will be a weapon reich can play with in the future, but he looked like he was getting a head of himself a bit yesterday. Did he have fumble issues in college?

We continue to make stupid mistakes to let the opposition back in games. We had them stopped then get a dumb penalty giving them a free field goal try before the half. We get a safety then fuck up the free kick giving them great field position.

AV is the goat but time to retire, most likely after the year is over. You are right he won’t be cut and they will back him but this is several games the kicking has cost us.

I don’t usually bang on the refs but they had several bad calls against us last night that hurt. Leonard hit that dude in bounds, that was not PI on tell, and total bs call on that hit on the punt returner, totally clean. I think they knew they fucked up and refused to admit it on that one.



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[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

7). Campbell can play football. I just don’t think he will ever be the guy we want him to be. That’s a prediction made with very little info. I could be wrong. He has talent

Originally Posted by omahacolt

15). Ballard loves his picks and that is great but can we talk about 2 2nd round picks being healthy scratches? Especially Lewis? And Wilson has never played as poorly as ya sin, so I would love to hear that story.

I have some doubts about Lewis and Campbell as well. Why? The curse of Mike Doss.

Not one Ohio State Buckeye drafted by the Colts since Mike Doss has lived up to their potential (sometimes due to injuries). It was true with the Polian and Grigson front offices and now maybe with Ballard.

Let's go over the draft picks since Doss:

2004 - 3rd Round - Ben Hartsock - Ben eventually carved out a 10 year journeyman career as a reserve / spot starter. However, he was injured in his second year with the Colts and they moved on. He only played 1.5 seasons with the Colts

2007 - 1st Round - Anthony Gonzalez - He had an OK rookie year as a slot receiver and showed some improvements in year 2. Was injured in the season opener of year 3 and was injured for most of the rest of his playing career.

2007 - 3rd Round - Quinn Pitcock - Played 9 games for the Colts and decided he preferred video games instead.

2007 - 5th Round - Roy Hall - Roy played before Twitter became popular - if Roy played right now, I think he would have more Twitter fans than Deon Cain. He had so many fanboys back in the day. Roy ended his NFL career with 1 reception.

2014 - 2nd Round - Jack Mewhort - Jack had a promising first two seasons with the Colts before suffering knee injuries in Years 3 and 4. He started every game that he played in. Decided to retire due to the knee injuries.

2017 - 1st Round - Malik Hooker - Obviously a talented player. Has had his share of injuries - missed 9 games in year 1, 2 games in year 2, already missed 3 games this year. He will play through injury, however, as evidenced earlier this year.

2018 - 2nd Round - Tyquan Lewis

2019 - 2nd Round - Parris Campbell


I don't know if the Colts should be drafting any more Buckeyes. At least until the curse is lifted. Maybe the curse will be reversed if Mike Doss is inducted into the Colts Ring of Honor?


I wrote that partly as a joke / partly being serious. The Colts have drafted 8 players from Ohio State over the last 15 years including 5 selections in Rounds 1 & 2 and have thus far seen very little results on the field. Would have thought at least one player would have been a consistent difference maker.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by rcubed

Thanks for the write up omaha.

Hoyer played pretty well for a (technically) 3rd string qb. He made some throws and kept us in it.

I like pascal, i hope he continues to mature. I think campbell will be a weapon reich can play with in the future, but he looked like he was getting a head of himself a bit yesterday. Did he have fumble issues in college?

We continue to make stupid mistakes to let the opposition back in games. We had them stopped then get a dumb penalty giving them a free field goal try before the half. We get a safety then fuck up the free kick giving them great field position.

AV is the goat but time to retire, most likely after the year is over. You are right he won’t be cut and they will back him but this is several games the kicking has cost us.

I don’t usually bang on the refs but they had several bad calls against us last night that hurt. Leonard hit that dude in bounds, that was not PI on tell, and total bs call on that hit on the punt returner, totally clean. I think they knew they fucked up and refused to admit it on that one.



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No one even touched him in college he was so fast. It actually is a fairly common problem with guys like this. They got away with carrying the ball away from the body in college because they were such better athletes than everyone else. Ball security can be taught though, and it is more just a discipline issue, usually they learn after they cost their team a game or some other huge mistake. Pretty common NFL rookie issues. At least he isn't a RB with ball security problems.

The plus side is he caught all 5 passes thrown his way. Hands is something we really need right now. Also he isn't a small guy, you see him take on Fitzpatrick and actually knock him back. Fitzpatrick is a big safety.

One other thing, Cambell had x-rays on his hand after the game. The results were inconclusive. So there might be an issue there.

[Pez]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

No one even touched him in college he was so fast. It actually is a fairly common problem with guys like this. They got away with carrying the ball away from the body in college because they were such better athletes than everyone else. Ball security can be taught though, and it is more just a discipline issue, usually they learn after they cost their team a game or some other huge mistake. Pretty common NFL rookie issues. At least he isn't a RB with ball security problems.

The plus side is he caught all 5 passes thrown his way. Hands is something we really need right now. Also he isn't a small guy, you see him take on Fitzpatrick and actually knock him back. Fitzpatrick is a big safety.

One other thing, Cambell had x-rays on his hand after the game. The results were inconclusive. So there might be an issue there.

I saw PC make some ball handling corrections throughout the game. By the 3rd quarter he was wrapping it up before anyone got close to him.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Pez

I saw PC make some ball handling corrections throughout the game. By the 3rd quarter he was wrapping it up before anyone got close to him.

Fumbling will make you do that. I still think he carries it too loose in space still. He needs to tuck that under his peck and create that triangle of peck, ribs, and arm to keep it in all the time against the body. He is always going to be in space with guys coming at angles he can't see. And the way defense practice knocking it out in the pros, he has to assume that ball will get hit at any moment.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

One other thing, Cambell had x-rays on his hand after the game. The results were inconclusive. So there might be an issue there.

Follow-up X-rays showed that Campbell fractured a bone in his hand. He had surgery today.

Campbell will be out for at least a few games.

[YDFL Commish]

A few thoughts:

Definitely start Hoyer if Brissett doesn't have his usual escape ability.

Hargrave was a load out there. Big Q had problems with him on more than one occasion.

Mack is doing a great job. I see how the Steelers used (and then overused) Samuel and how the Packers use their RB's in the passing game, and ask why we can't do more of that? Hines can be a game changer with more touches.

Pascal was the best offensive player on the field yesterday.

Cain is a waste of a roster spot.

I've never seen Hooker be such a factor on run defense. I think the coaches must have told him that if he wants defensive snaps he can't just play center field anymore.

AV is done. After watching Justin Tucker boom XP's last night and comparing that to AV's wobbly duck's, it's obvious.

I thought that Marvell Tell held his own out there.

Neither of Leonard's PF's should have been called.

This team has got to stop with the close games, because the ref's or just dumb luck can steal those wins from you.

[Beeb]

Omaha...thanks for the analysis. In a crazy sort of way, reading your post is cathartic. After reading every post ever written since 1970 on this game, I come away with a disappointment in Reich and in Ballard.
Is there anyone on this board that had confidence in Vinatieri for that last FG...or for any extra point? Not so much. Pittsburgh is terrible. The only way they can throw down field is against Practice Squad worthy Ya-Sin. This team feels like there is more than meets the eye. Draft picks and players (yes Cain and Rogers I am looking at you) who have no business on this team. But at least we have draft picks and cap room. For only Ballard knows why.

[Pez]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

A few thoughts:

Definitely start Hoyer if Brissett doesn't have his usual escape ability.

Hargrave was a load out there. Big Q had problems with him on more than one occasion.

Mack is doing a great job. I see how the Steelers used (and then overused) Samuel and how the Packers use their RB's in the passing game, and ask why we can't do more of that? Hines can be a game changer with more touches.

Pascal was the best offensive player on the field yesterday.

Cain is a waste of a roster spot.

I've never seen Hooker be such a factor on run defense. I think the coaches must have told him that if he wants defensive snaps he can't just play center field anymore.

AV is done. After watching Justin Tucker boom XP's last night and comparing that to AV's wobbly duck's, it's obvious.

I thought that Marvell Tell held his own out there.

Neither of Leonard's PF's should have been called.

This team has got to stop with the close games, because the ref's or just dumb luck can steal those wins from you.

Yes, Hoyer is a serviceable replacement, but the future of this team is Brisett, good or bad, were all in at this point.

When Q got blocked into Brissett, the game turned over. If I can pretend to know Q, he's really mother fsking angry about this.

Hines need more touches yes, but he needs different touches. If he's just out there when we are going to throw to him in space, it becomes a tell and an obvious one. Oh, hines if on the field? They throw to him 90% of the time when that is the case, lets guard Hines.... that's Pagano quality game planning. Yes, Mack is doing a great job.

I think that Hooker had such a role in the run game because Rudolph was their QB. If Roethlisberger was under center, Hooker would be deep.

I hate for AV to be done, but he's done. We are a 7-1 team and should be challenging the Pats for the #1 AFC seed. We're not. We are a middle of the pack 5-3 team that might make the playoffs if Houston drops a couple.

Agree 100% on Marvin Tell.

Agree on DL's personal fouls, also the kickoff coverage personal foul was utter bullshit.

Agree that the colts need to get Out of these close games, Ballard is very very unlikely to cut AV, so we better not enter the last two minutes of the game down two.

Our Defense forced a safety and stopped 3 1st and goal series. I cant imagine expecting this young unit to play better than that.