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Originally Posted by IndyNorm
Holy shit. You actually think Chase and Higgins owe everything to Burrow and wouldn't be good WRs if they were playing elsewhere. You really are a special kind of fucking stupid aren't you?
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No, Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne don't owe everything to Peyton Manning, either. But neither of them would've ascended to the heights they did without him. Ja'Marr Chase would've been dominant anywhere he went, but I do think he's better because he's with Burrow.
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Originally Posted by IndyNorm
The dude threw for 66%, 4,100 yards, and 25/8 in his 2nd year. He had a very good year. Face it, you're wrong. Just admit it.
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He had a bad first half and a fluke second half of the season, the Dallas game being a perfect example of that. He still can't read a defense or make an anticipation throw. You can pump a completion percentage up by doing a lot of screens, quick reads, and short pick plays, all things that Lawrence has never struggled with. But if he can't make a defense pay for the coverage they choose because he can't decipher it and make the correct read, defenses will just force him to stay in the pocket and beat them with his arm, which he won't be able to. I still see no evidence that Trevor Lawrence can operate within the structure of the offense when that structure requires him to make a full field read and throw the ball with anticipation.
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Originally Posted by IndyNorm
Do you honestly think Wilson has no responsibility at all in being a bust?
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I don't know that I'd call him a bust yet, certainly a disappointment to this point. I know he needs to get out of the Jets organization in all likelihood to succeed at this point. Are his disappointing results on him on some level? They have to be, he's the one creating the results. I don't think the Jets have done his development any favors along the way, though, and he would be looked at even worse than he is now if he pulled a Russell Wilson and hired his own coaching staff.
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Originally Posted by IndyNorm
You seem to think Fields is a complete stud and franchise QB while Hurts isn't. That's what Hurts rushing yards have to do with it. I can't figure out why you think this way other than you're a fan of Fields and not Hurts.
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I'm not necessarily a fan of Fields or not a fan of Hurts. You asked different things about both of them. I don't think Hurts has the ability to be in the Top 5 of QBs in the NFL long term, and he'd have a hard time maintaining a top 10 spot. I think Fields could get there at some point, but honestly it would involve putting a better supporting cast around him and having him try to do his best Lamar Jackson imitation less.
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Originally Posted by IndyNorm
Holy shit Justin Fields is fucking Michael Jordan now! LMAO!!!!!!
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Lol don't Bears fans wish? It was an allegory to illustrate that just because a take is unpopular at the time doesn't mean it's wrong. And the closest thing the NFL has had to Michael Jordan is Peyton Manning.
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Originally Posted by IndyNorm
BTW: I doubt the Rockets are too upset over drafting Olajuwon since he's in the HOF and they did win multiple championships under him.
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This is missing the point (see above), but I'm pretty sure they would've been happier with six championships rather than two.
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Originally Posted by IndyNorm
10 QBs that will be better than Hurts in 2023? Let's do this in tiers.
My comments bolded below.
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For the most part, I'm just going to agree to disagree here on the ones you disagreed on. I only have 2 points in response:
1) I never said Murray was a Top 10 QB or junk. I will say he probably hasn't lived up to the lofty expectations of a #1 overall pick, evidenced by the fact that the Cardinals were hesitant to extend him. But there was also a reason that they finally did give him a 5 year, $230.5 million extension. He's a player who has been in MVP discussions in the past. It's not out of the realm of possibility for him to return to that form.
2) Interestingly enough, it was our board's own Lawrence Owen that convinced me that Daniel Jones was a possibility. Jones also started using his legs more this year, but more importantly continued his longstanding trend of getting better at protecting the football. He also had a very poor supporting cast outside of Saquon Barkley last season. If he got some better weapons and continued to take care of the ball well, a 4,500 total yard, 35 total TD season wouldn't be out of the question, and that would likely be better than Hurts, considering that was basically 2022 Hurts's stat line and I am anticipating regression from that.