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Originally Posted by Dam8610
I don't see Ojulari or Phillips as projects. I think either of those two come in and start Day 1 for you, and I think Phillips is a Top 15 pick without the concussion history. I would agree that CB is a better overall group in this draft at the top, but I would argue that at 21, you're looking at CB3 or CB4 vs. EDGE1, and I'd argue EDGE1 is better than CB3 in this draft.
I haven't really watched Horn, so I don't have much of an opinion on him. I was going off of you saying he gets grabby to point out that that is Ya-Sin's biggest flaw at present, then adding to that that Horn is a bad tackler, which is one of the strong points of Ya-Sin's game. In other words, Horn is a bad scheme fit because he can't tackle, and he brings one of the worst traits of Ya-Sin which is keeping Ya-Sin from reaching his potential. That's why I say pass.
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He is best as a press off man corner. Think Richard Sherman at the line, and similar to Sherman in a lot of ways actually. He would probably do well initially in a man heavy defense, but I think he can play zone as well. But he is most disruptive when receivers are trying to get into their routes. He is the son of Saints WR Joe Horn. He is grabby, but the difference between he and Sin is Rock grabs because he gets in trouble and doesn’t have the make up speed to get out of it, Horn does. Also Rock had a crappy RAS at 6-7 I think, Horn is a 10 I believe. I think he would be a very good match for us.
I don’t see Olujari being drafted by us. We could have signed Yannick Ngakoue who is similar in build and style and already produces in the league. But we didn’t try to sign anyone except Houston. I like Phillips but he has some question marks and I don’t see a lot of separation from the pack of other top edge athletes but questionable production. We already have three projects who are on the edge of being busts. I don’t see them drafting another athletic project with their first.
You may be looking at CB2-CB4. But the same could be said for DE, and I think the CB group at the top is better than the Pass rush group this year. But unlike LT and DE, CB starts to falls off after those top guys. If the LT they like is not there, I can see them trading down to get that 3rd draft pick back somehow, or I see them grabbing a CB and LT in the second. CB because I’m not sure Rock is gonna work out and every defense is now playing nickle and dime more than ever before.