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albany ed 09-14-2020 07:38 AM

That didn't take long
 
I went from very optimistic about this team in 2020 to already looking at top 10 draft choices in the coming year's draft. Marlin Mack, done for the year, that will put two turnover players in the backfield for the rest of the year. I was struggling to find a sports bar to watch the Colts, (here in NY, most require you to reserve table or bar stool and there's a 90 minute time limit). I didn't see yesterday's game, but I did listen to it on the radio. I'm thinking that Rivers is making some bad decisions as well as having a weaker arm than I had hoped. The defense was terrible. I can't believe the talent is that terrible, so I have to point to bad schemes. For those of you that watched the game, I'd like to read some opinions.

Thorgrim 09-14-2020 10:29 AM

So much to rail about but I’ll stick to coaching. Too many soft cushions by the secondary. I don’t know what the scheme was but I never want to see that hot trash again. Where the hell was Wilkins? I don’t think he was inactive so what gives? Eschewing the field goal was a tactical blunder. I’ll let someone else rip the individual efforts but the coaching staff bears some culpability in losing to a team that by nfl standards is nearly devoid of talent.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 09-14-2020 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Thorgrim (Post 168600)
Where the hell was Wilkins? I don’t think he was inactive so what gives?

Wilkins was active. He had one snap on offense and 10 snaps on Special Teams.

rcubed 09-14-2020 10:59 AM

I wonder if they wanted to get taylor in to get his feet wet, especially against what they thought would be a not so good defense.


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Pez 09-14-2020 11:30 AM

I'm still optimistic, but geez.

When you give any QB unchallenged receivers at the sticks on third and long you are simply not going to get off the field. Minschew's stat line is really telling to me 19 of 20 passes for 150 yards and a QB rating of 142.3, against the 10th best passing defense last year. Yea, that's not talent, that's being out schemed and out-coached.

Defense was completely uninspired, letting the Jags put 27 point on us. And the score didn't seem too indicative of how badly we played. It feels like we lost this game by two TDs instead of one.

If this is how we plan to prepare for games and if the worst team in the NFL can out scheme and out coach us like this, we may as well take the $25 million we are paying Philip Rivers and light it on fire instead. At least then we wont have to see him throw picks.

Kray007 09-14-2020 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 168586)
I went from very optimistic about this team in 2020 to already looking at top 10 draft choices in the coming year's draft. Marlin Mack, done for the year, that will put two turnover players in the backfield for the rest of the year. I was struggling to find a sports bar to watch the Colts, (here in NY, most require you to reserve table or bar stool and there's a 90 minute time limit). I didn't see yesterday's game, but I did listen to it on the radio. I'm thinking that Rivers is making some bad decisions as well as having a weaker arm than I had hoped. The defense was terrible. I can't believe the talent is that terrible, so I have to point to bad schemes. For those of you that watched the game, I'd like to read some opinions.

Looked to me like Rivers has plenty of arm left. He also did a nice job of hitting receivers in stride, and we finally had a credible RB screen attack.

Macks injury seemed to suck something out of the offense. Went from having a solid run game to meh. Suspect it had as much to do with Taylors lack of practice time with 1st team, as anything.

Campbell looked good, and I suspect he’s gonna be uncoverable on crossing routes. Too much speed and separation ability.

Lack of a real offseason, and no preseason had an impact. I think it’s going to take a while for the coaching staff to put together a coherent scheme that maximizes the talent on the roster.

JAFF 09-16-2020 08:35 PM

https://youtu.be/9AFf0ysgNiM

Colts And Orioles 09-20-2020 04:12 PM

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(vs. VIKINGS, 9/20)


Nice bounce-back win for the Colts today.


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Colts And Orioles 10-04-2020 07:39 PM

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(OCTOBER 4th)


Since the opening day fiasco against the Jaguars, Colts opponents have scored 29 points over the last 3 games combined.


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Colts And Orioles 10-12-2020 05:55 PM

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(OCTOBER 11th)


Although the defense stiffened and played well in the 2nd half of yesterday's game against the upstart Cleveland Browns, Philip Rivers made 2 very bad decisions while throwing 2 INT's (one of which was a pick-6), and the Colts lost what was a very winnable game ...... similar to the winnable game which they lost on opening day to the Jaguars.


It's a looooong season, and we're only 31% of the way through it ...... I believe that anything is still possible (both positive and negative) in regard to where this team will wind up after all 16 games have been played.


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Brylok 10-12-2020 09:58 PM

We're back in 1997 pre-Manning QB hell. We'll be here for years. I still blame Andrew Luck (and his wife). Quitter. NO ring of honor...EVER for that dude (imo). I don't know how he still lives in indiana. He must not go outside much.

Butter 10-12-2020 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 171995)
We're back in 1997 pre-Manning QB hell. We'll be here for years. I still blame Andrew Luck (and his wife). Quitter. NO ring of honor...EVER for that dude (imo). I don't know how he still lives in indiana. He must not go outside much.

While I agree he did not earn a place in the ring of honor, the rest of your post is stupid.

Brylok 10-12-2020 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 171998)
While I agree he did not earn a place in the ring of honor, the rest of your post is stupid.

Luv you Butter, but imo Luck is slimey and he joined the gray train. No doubt he lives in a castle in a gated community and my unwashed, working class ass couldn't heckle him if I wanted to. Regardless, we're sunk as an offense. Stay healthy

albany ed 10-13-2020 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 171995)
We're back in 1997 pre-Manning QB hell. We'll be here for years. I still blame Andrew Luck (and his wife). Quitter. NO ring of honor...EVER for that dude (imo). I don't know how he still lives in indiana. He must not go outside much.

I'm sure he has a helluva lot more friends in Indiana than you do.

Brylok 10-13-2020 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 172014)
I'm sure he has a helluva lot more friends in Indiana than you do.

Probably, I haven't lived there for over a decade. It just pisses me off that that one decision has ruined the team for years to come.

albany ed 10-13-2020 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 172052)
Probably, I haven't lived there for over a decade. It just pisses me off that that one decision has ruined the team for years to come.

Get over it. Like you, he has one life and one body. If he chooses to keep it on the healthy side instead of ruining it just to satisfy fans, so be it.

JAFF 10-13-2020 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 172052)
Probably, I haven't lived there for over a decade. It just pisses me off that that one decision has ruined the team for years to come.

I guess it doesn’t register with you that when he had his liver lacerated, He could’ve died right there on the field in front of the fans.

I think I saw almost every game Andrew luck played and I can say that I never felt cheated by his efforts. I can’t prove this, but it seems to me that he just couldn’t give that effort anymore. In the short time he played in Indianapolis, he was so beat up he just couldn’t play up to his own expectations.

I’m not sure why you feel ownership of this person. That somehow Andrew luck owes you something. I really believe you need to put that burden down.

Brylok 10-13-2020 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 172064)
I’m not sure why you feel ownership of this person. That somehow Andrew luck owes you something. I really believe you need to put that burden down.

"Ownership". That's rich. Go back and look at my posts. I supported Luck right up until he quit. It's all still there, go read it. Read my posts about other players.

I'm pro player 80% of the time. I wanted to keep Freeney and Bethea. I supported Vonte Davis during his problems and when he left to Buffalo and retired at halftime. I laughed about it but I supported him. I supported Dwayne Allen up until he left. I still don't know what happened there with his decline and then falling out with the team and media. I supported Mathis during the steroid thing. It was fishy as hell, but I supported him. I supported Ebron when he put himself on IR and basically said "F this, I'm out". It's all there.

I was very critical with McAfee when it was announced that he was retiring to go to Boston and work for Bartool Sports. He'd been doing goofy shit during games like trying to hit the scoreboard in Jerry World. He left in the off-season and allowed time to find a replacement. I was not supportive of the likes of Satele, McGlynn, T-Rich, or LaRon Landry. That's just off the top of my head. "Ownership". Get outta here with that nonsense.

rcubed 10-13-2020 08:58 PM

Luck made a life choice and I can respect that, as should everyone. However the timing sucked and it really put a big problem in ballards plans.


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Dewey 5 10-13-2020 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 172052)
Probably, I haven't lived there for over a decade. It just pisses me off that that one decision has ruined the team for years to come.

Blame Grigson & Pagano

JAFF 10-13-2020 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 172089)
"Ownership". That's rich. Go back and look at my posts. I supported Luck right up until he quit. It's all still there, go read it. Read my posts about other players.

I'm pro player 80% of the time. I wanted to keep Freeney and Bethea. I supported Vonte Davis during his problems and when he left to Buffalo and retired at halftime. I laughed about it but I supported him. I supported Dwayne Allen up until he left. I still don't know what happened there with his decline and then falling out with the team and media. I supported Mathis during the steroid thing. It was fishy as hell, but I supported him. I supported Ebron when he put himself on IR and basically said "F this, I'm out". It's all there.

I was very critical with McAfee when it was announced that he was retiring to go to Boston and work for Bartool Sports. He'd been doing goofy shit during games like trying to hit the scoreboard in Jerry World. He left in the off-season and allowed time to find a replacement. I was not supportive of the likes of Satele, McGlynn, T-Rich, or LaRon Landry. That's just off the top of my head. "Ownership". Get outta here with that nonsense.

So as long as they leave on terms you approve of, its ok? 2023 I plan on retiring. That ok?

Brylok 10-13-2020 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 172098)
So as long as they leave on terms you approve of, its ok? 2023 I plan on retiring. That ok?

I couldn't care less what you do, with your troll ass. Whatever.

JAFF 10-14-2020 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 172110)
I couldn't care less what you do, with your troll ass. Whatever.

Lol, right

Hoopsdoc 10-14-2020 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 172064)
I guess it doesn’t register with you that when he had his liver lacerated, He could’ve died right there on the field in front of the fans.

I think I saw almost every game Andrew luck played and I can say that I never felt cheated by his efforts. I can’t prove this, but it seems to me that he just couldn’t give that effort anymore. In the short time he played in Indianapolis, he was so beat up he just couldn’t play up to his own expectations.

I’m not sure why you feel ownership of this person. That somehow Andrew luck owes you something. I really believe you need to put that burden down.

One can be critical of the timing of Lucks decision and the hell it left the franchise in and still agree that he had every right to make that decision.

JAFF 10-14-2020 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 172138)
One can be critical of the timing of Lucks decision and the hell it left the franchise in and still agree that he had every right to make that decision.

When would the best time be?

He rehabbed all off season through preseason and he wasnt getting better. Should he stay, play like crap or stay and take up a roster spot, and not play all season because he couldnt?

He was an athlete his whole life and now he wasnt. He couldnt be what he had been.

My career is in my head, and short of some unforeseen event, I’ll get to retirement. I will have 36 years in my profession. A long time. Luck played 6 years missing one year due to injury. A lifetime for some in football. I never faced losing my job due to physical injury. He faced it every game. In his 30’s he is forced out of something he loves, and now must reinvent himself.

Its a game. A violent, brutal game. Would people prefer he went out like Junior Seau?

Hoopsdoc 10-15-2020 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 172175)
When would the best time be?

He rehabbed all off season through preseason and he wasnt getting better. Should he stay, play like crap or stay and take up a roster spot, and not play all season because he couldnt?

He was an athlete his whole life and now he wasnt. He couldnt be what he had been.

My career is in my head, and short of some unforeseen event, I’ll get to retirement. I will have 36 years in my profession. A long time. Luck played 6 years missing one year due to injury. A lifetime for some in football. I never faced losing my job due to physical injury. He faced it every game. In his 30’s he is forced out of something he loves, and now must reinvent himself.

Its a game. A violent, brutal game. Would people prefer he went out like Junior Seau?

I’m not begrudging him anything. He had to do what was best for him, just as all of us do

At the same time, there’s no denying he completely screwed the organization, possibly for many many years to come.

Both of these things can be true.

Oldcolt 10-15-2020 10:11 AM

Best time would have been after he won a Super Bowl.

njcoltfan 10-15-2020 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 172235)
I’m not begrudging him anything. He had to do what was best for him, just as all of us do

At the same time, there’s no denying he completely screwed the organization, possibly for many many years to come.

Both of these things can be true.

He should have called it a career instead of coming back after the year off. He had the organization poise for a Super Bowl run, especially after winning comeback player of the year, but instead he leaves the team

JAFF 10-16-2020 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 172235)
I’m not begrudging him anything. He had to do what was best for him, just as all of us do

At the same time, there’s no denying he completely screwed the organization, possibly for many many years to come.

Both of these things can be true.

It hurt the Colts, no question there. If it wear easy to find a franchise Qb, everybody would have one.

Chromeburn 10-16-2020 09:59 AM

I see it as a moot point. Retiring hurt the Colts, but only if he was healthy and he could play. But he wasn’t healthy anymore and wasn’t playing, just eating up cap space and gobs of potential. I think fans are mostly missing what could have been, not what it really was.

JAFF 10-16-2020 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 172332)
I see it as a moot point. Retiring hurt the Colts, but only if he was healthy and he could play. But he wasn’t healthy anymore and wasn’t playing, just eating up cap space and gobs of potential. I think fans are mostly missing what could have been, not what it really was.

That makes it a moo point. Its a cows opinion, its MOO

IndyNorm 10-17-2020 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 172175)
When would the best time be?

He rehabbed all off season through preseason and he wasnt getting better. Should he stay, play like crap or stay and take up a roster spot, and not play all season because he couldnt?

He was an athlete his whole life and now he wasnt. He couldnt be what he had been.

My career is in my head, and short of some unforeseen event, I’ll get to retirement. I will have 36 years in my profession. A long time. Luck played 6 years missing one year due to injury. A lifetime for some in football. I never faced losing my job due to physical injury. He faced it every game. In his 30’s he is forced out of something he loves, and now must reinvent himself.

Its a game. A violent, brutal game. Would people prefer he went out like Junior Seau?

A big reason that fans are still frustrated with Luck's decision is that we don't know how severe of an injury he actually had. Luck's entitled to his privacy, but not announcing what his injury actually was when he retired left things a mystery. If he truly only had a mild calf strain and retired over a high ankle sprain, then he played the Colts to get his $12M roster bonus and deserves the criticism. If he had something much more severe like say a partially torn achilles, where the thought/hope was that it would heal over the offseason through rest and rehab but didn't and would require season ending surgery and a ~year's worth of rehab, then the timing is much more understandable.

Another frustrating thing is the irony that the OL allowed the fewest sacks in the league and Luck was hit the fewest times in his career during his final year. He finally had a good OL and a competent FO and coaching staff that would make sure he had the protection he should have had all along.....

Anyway, it's water under the bridge. Just sucks that the team is stuck in QB purgatory.

Chromeburn 10-17-2020 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 172395)
That makes it a moo point. Its a cows opinion, its MOO

Thanks for the joke dad

Chromeburn 10-17-2020 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 172405)
A big reason that fans are still frustrated with Luck's decision is that we don't know how severe of an injury he actually had. Luck's entitled to his privacy, but not announcing what his injury actually was when he retired left things a mystery. If he truly only had a mild calf strain and retired over a high ankle sprain, then he played the Colts to get his $12M roster bonus and deserves the criticism. If he had something much more severe like say a partially torn achilles, where the thought/hope was that it would heal over the offseason through rest and rehab but didn't and would require season ending surgery and a ~year's worth of rehab, then the timing is much more understandable.

Another frustrating thing is the irony that the OL allowed the fewest sacks in the league and Luck was hit the fewest times in his career during his final year. He finally had a good OL and a competent FO and coaching staff that would make sure he had the protection he should have had all along.....

Anyway, it's water under the bridge. Just sucks that the team is stuck in QB purgatory.


A friend of mine that has ties to the org said Luck tried to retire earlier but Irsay talked him out of it. Then when the calf/? wouldn’t heal he had enough and Irsay couldn’t talk him out of it again. Take it with a grain of salt though bc it could be just office gossip.

albany ed 10-17-2020 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 172413)
A friend of mine that has ties to the org said Luck tried to retire earlier but Irsay talked him out of it. Then when the calf/? wouldn’t heal he had enough and Irsay couldn’t talk him out of it again. Take it with a grain of salt though bc it could be just office gossip.

That makes sense to me and it was actually a theory that I had all along.

Lawrence Owen 10-17-2020 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 168586)
I went from very optimistic about this team in 2020 to already looking at top 10 draft choices in the coming year's draft. Marlin Mack, done for the year, that will put two turnover players in the backfield for the rest of the year. I was struggling to find a sports bar to watch the Colts, (here in NY, most require you to reserve table or bar stool and there's a 90 minute time limit). I didn't see yesterday's game, but I did listen to it on the radio. I'm thinking that Rivers is making some bad decisions as well as having a weaker arm than I had hoped. The defense was terrible. I can't believe the talent is that terrible, so I have to point to bad schemes. For those of you that watched the game, I'd like to read some opinions.

The Defense is perfectly fine. It was Eberflus not adjusting his scheme for the game. In the second half, Indy held the Browns to very little offense, and only gave them 3 points.
Rivers also has strength in that arm...I was watching him throw the ball 45 yards flat footed pregame. It's just impossible to step into a throw when the pressure is in your face, or chasing you down from the wrong direction. This game was on the coaching.

apballin 10-17-2020 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lawrence Owen (Post 172422)
The Defense is perfectly fine. It was Eberflus not adjusting his scheme for the game. In the second half, Indy held the Browns to very little offense, and only gave them 3 points.
Rivers also has strength in that arm...I was watching him throw the ball 45 yards flat footed pregame. It's just impossible to step into a throw when the pressure is in your face, or chasing you down from the wrong direction. This game was on the coaching.

That pick 6 was not on the coaches or the safety even though it was a stupid call a 20 year vet cannot make those mistakes if it’s Eason I understand but those plays were pathetic. I’m not questioning his arm but his decision making at this point has been rookie like, with this defense it’s as simple as DO NOT TURN IT OVER and you should win the game

JAFF 10-17-2020 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 172405)

Another frustrating thing is the irony that the OL allowed the fewest sacks in the league and Luck was hit the fewest times in his career during his final year. He finally had a good OL and a competent FO and coaching staff that would make sure he had the protection he should have had all along.....

Anyway, it's water under the bridge. Just sucks that the team is stuck in QB purgatory.

Your health is your business and no one else. That goes for athletes. Luck came back from a lacerated internal organ, he is NOT a coward.

Using your own post, the O line did a great job, he took fewer hits, YET he still had a leg issue that was not resolved after an entire off season.

Im a fan, and why Luck hung it up is none of my business. Im glad I got to see him play.

Brylok 10-18-2020 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 172449)
Your health is your business and no one else. That goes for athletes. Luck came back from a lacerated internal organ, he is NOT a coward.

Using your own post, the O line did a great job, he took fewer hits, YET he still had a leg issue that was not resolved after an entire off season.

Im a fan, and why Luck hung it up is none of my business. Im glad I got to see him play.

"Concern troll" response. Hmm. IndyNorm stated an opinion, which is shared by a lot of Colts fans, and then you chimed in and put words in his mouth that he never said. Norm never called Luck a coward. And yes, the highest paid, most important person on an NFL team's health status is more important and public than any of us commoners posting here. Keep on trolling. You're good at it, I'll give you that.

JAFF 10-18-2020 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 172412)
Thanks for the joke dad

Thats a Joey joke from friends


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