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Pez 02-14-2019 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 109800)
If he is asking $15m a year, then based on his history and physical abilities, he is probably out of our price range. With only one year of starter quality performance, he is probably more of a $9 - $12m a year guy instead of higher than that.

I would love to retain him because you cannot have too many solid / good CBs. But let's not all of a sudden believe he is a top ten CB. He is good, not great and if he is asking a "great" price.....

Walk Worthy,

I think that is about right, and would put him at the bottom of the top third of CBs. Maybe a little less than that even.

Blows my mind that the redskins are paying Josh Norman $15M a year.

Pez 02-14-2019 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 109776)
I could be wrong but I don’t recall ever being down on desir

My bad, different poster, different player.... one of those two.

JAFF 02-14-2019 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 109793)
He wanted too much money? Players get over that stuff. They know the business

You can move the money around, years and bonuses, if you want a guy, you can keep him.

Pez 02-14-2019 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 109793)
He wanted too much money? Players get over that stuff. They know the business

I agree with you, but I bet even still there is a lot of players vs management shit that goes on. Probably less in the Ballard vs grigson era.

I seem to remember in one of the injury years we cut a decent player on defense because Pags started him and Grigson wasnt on board with it. I posted about it, I bet we cut (whoever it was) to keep Orlovsky.

While I agree that these players are professionals who understand the business, there has to be some friction there. McAfee might be another example. It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall to some of these dynamics.

YDFL Commish 02-14-2019 09:34 PM

Desir, Moore and Wilson made a pretty good trio. Gotta agree with omaha..the guy needs to remain a Colt.

I would still like to add one more piece for young depth though. The fall off is dramatic after the above 3.

omahacolt 02-14-2019 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 109840)
Desir, Moore and Wilson made a pretty good trio. Gotta agree with omaha..the guy needs to remain a Colt.

I would still like to add one more piece for young depth though. The fall off is dramatic after the above 3.

Corners are a position you constantly need to add. Hard to keep depth there. Although I put that position further down on needs than most people this year.

VeveJones007 02-14-2019 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 109841)
Corners are a position you constantly need to add. Hard to keep depth there. Although I put that position further down on needs than most people this year.

Yep. With how much zone they play, they can find good scheme fits in the mid and late rounds.

Chaka 02-20-2019 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pez (Post 109815)
I think that is about right, and would put him at the bottom of the top third of CBs. Maybe a little less than that even.

Blows my mind that the redskins are paying Josh Norman $15M a year.

I like Desir as well, but nobody's talking about his age. He'll be 29 next year, which is usually on the downside of a CB's career. So if we resign him, it should be on a Ballard Special contract, where he's paid a good yearly average, but nothing guaranteed after the first year. Not sure he'd take that kind of contract because there might be other teams out there that would be willing to give him more guarantees.

YDFL Commish 02-20-2019 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 110181)
I like Desir as well, but nobody's talking about his age. He'll be 29 next year, which is usually on the downside of a CB's career. So if we resign him, it should be on a Ballard Special contract, where he's paid a good yearly average, but nothing guaranteed after the first year. Not sure he'd take that kind of contract because there might be other teams out there that would be willing to give him more guarantees.

It's not the downside of a CB's career, who has not played a lot during his career.

Puck 02-21-2019 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 109803)
I like Desir but I'm not interested in paying him like a top 5 CB at all.

So where would address his replacement? FA? Draft? What round


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