And somewhere Daniel Snyders eye begins to twitch.

Venturi does not agree, he said if Luck is in fact healthy (and I believe he thinks he is just by listening to some of his cryptic statements...), there would be a ton of teams coming forward looking to deal - his statement- this guy just doesn't come around every year or every other year in the draft, he just doesn't, he doesn't come along every 5 years. People have seen what he can do to NFL defenses- and in his view already just one game into this crappy season there's no greater evidence of how massive his impact alone can be on a team. His view, and I think we have evidence of it- Andrew Luck by combination of talent and will puts a bad team in playoff contention, Andrew Luck on just a good team- a SB contender without question. And, and, and though this did not come from Rick, I heard another person on NFL Radio last night make a brilliant point and it was intended as a KNOCK on Pags inability to develop players but it bleeds over to Luck's impact on the team. His view was TY Hilton is JAG without Andrew Luck, he's one of the best receivers in the NFL with him.

As for suitors look inside our division- where are Houston or Jax with Andrew Luck under center? I know this makes all of our skin crawl, how unstoppable are the Broncos with Luck instead of Simien- and look at that division, you don't think they know to compete regardless of how good that D is they need a horse at QB? How fast does Miami jump over NE with Luck not Cutler?

Me, I am starting to kinda feel like maybe we should just gut it entirely it is such a catastrophe right now. Get a bonanza of picks for him, ship off the last few aged players remaining, go full youth movement the rest of this year and get a top 3 pick. Bring Harbaugh in, bring Peyton in as President (if for nothing else but to have someone who can actually freaking articulate and relate in front of the cameras), actually focus on playing defense for the first time in 20 years and see if we can't be ready to challenge for SB in 4 years...

I hate typing that but at this point it just feels like maybe this window has closed here and maybe sadly, that's the reality Luck sees as well and is reacting to.

Good God I hope that NEVER HAPPENS !! I just can't imagine going back to the pre Manning years, searching every year for just a competent QB, guys like George, Pagel, Trudeau just to name a few. If that scenario did play out, I've lost ALL confidence that Irsay has the mental capacity to get that job done. They would be out of Indy within a few years!!

Lol so in an attempt to get some cover this morning for his reckless rumor mongering yesterday, Greany had Adam Shefter on for a segment this morning. Greany used the entire segment on other NFL news until they were just about out of time when he asked Shefty to quickly comment on the rumors of discontent that are "commonly known" in NFL circles.....before Greany could even get the words fully out of his mouth, Shefty who is the ultimate NFL insider exclaims: Yeah, where'd That come from! It was priceless as Greany quickly turned that into a very quick discussion of when Andrew would be back on the field. Too funny 😂

I don't watch Mike & Mike at all anymore, but I did tune in today to see what that punk ass Greeny had to say. What a waste of time, no accountability from that bitch. Fake News!!!!!!

In my defense.....I started a business this year and I'm now working from my home and it's just too damn quiet so I have The Fan running on my iPhone from about 8-4 most days except when I have appointments. It's really more just background noise but the local shows (dakitch, JMV) keep me abreast of Indy sports news since I'm otherwise inundated with all news east coast as I live in Jersey but my heart and most of my family are still in Indy.

Why would Harbaugh leave a cush job where he is happy, the fans love him, and can easily compete year in and year out to come to this shit show in Indy? Makes no sense that he would want to put himself in a worse situation when he can be successful for however long he wants until he retires.

Exactly. He's also making $9 million this year. Zero chance he'd come to the Colts.

I am not saying he will come here. But some people like that kind of challenge. It's basically what he did in SF. He turned a shit show franchise into a SB contender, fast, without a franchise QB and with arguably the worst owner in the league. If he stays I think it'll be because he loves being the HC of
the school he graduated from, not because it's easy.

I would think he stays in MI. Seems like he has the run of the place, turned the program around, makes bank etc. Plus since he tends to wear on people it seems like college is best suited for him since he only gets the players for a few years and constantly gets a new crop coming in.

Ego would be the only reason I think he would come here (and if Luck is the QB)

I think that Toub, the Special Teams coach for KC, the next Colts Head Coach.

Rumor is that Ballard wanted him this season and that Ballard believes that he is ready to be a HC and Irsay wanted Clappy McWoodChopper to have another shot.

I have no idea why Harbaugh would want to leave Michigan. It is his dream job.

Walk Worthy,

Harbaugh would leave Michigan to try and win a SB, if he so chooses.

I think Harbaugh is a more NFL rather than college based coach and while he may love Michigan, I do think he will go back to the NFL

Probably not anytime soon, I would be shocked if 10 years from now he is still at Michigan.

He was in the NFL and had success with a franchise that has otherwise been dismal in the last 15 years prior, almost won a SB with them. he left and they were immediately bad again, still are.

This is not like the other top college coaches that have tried the NFL and failed before, then end up back at the college level.

as for the COlts, I would take about anyone over Pagano right now.

I'm not even sure what a trade for Luck would look like. If it's a Herschel Walker-esque deal even then I'm not sure I'd want to see the Colts make the trade, as franchise QBs are what makes the NFL tick right now.

Greany deserves all the blowback he's getting for his irresponsible rumor-mongering.

http://nypost.com/2017/09/15/mike-gr...eport/?ref=yfp

That is a really good piece on this situation- and a tragic reflection on just how shitty this franchise has become- we are a disaster!

Damn- that wasting article is now front page on CNN!

Jim- your team is imploding!

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Which one, shitty, or disaster? I think both are used in appropriate context.

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From the article ........ And while it may be false that Luck wants a trade, three NFL front office executives—all from the NFC—believe Luck should demand one. One executive said he fears Luck will become the next Vinny Testaverde.



So, 3 NFC front-office executives are willing to take Luck off of the Colts' inept hands so he could perhaps play for their team ???

Very generous of them.


Also, the comparisons to Archie Manning and Vinny Testaverde are inapt, especially Manning ........ in Manning's 14-season NFL career, he played for 13 losing teams and one .500 (8-8) team. In Luck's first 3 seasons in the league, his teams went 11-5, 11-5, and 11-5, making the postseason all 3 times with 2 division titles and one trip to the AFC Championship game.


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I don't think the point was so much comparing their records as the ultimate outcomes of their careers due to being punching bags because their teams didn't focus on their protection and caused them to be beaten to death over time. Even in those 11-5 years Luck was getting smashed- a LOT. In some areas he can be said to have been beaten up more than David Carr. Let that sink in for a minute- this is Andrew Luck, the second coming, the one set to assume the throne of NFL Godliness- and this crap ass organization has allowed him to get hit more than David Fucking Carr! Look around at some of the trash we've pushed out there claiming to call themselves offensive linemen.

It's weird, there's this sort of collective amnesia- even when we were winning games a LOT of us would talk about how this was not sustainable that Luck was not going to last if he kept getting hit like he was. Here we are and that chicken has come to roost and everyone is like "why would he be upset about what has been going on?".

It's been basically a week since all that crap hit the media. What say Andrew Luck, Ballard, Irsay? Zero that's what... hey when is Andrew Luck going to practice? Oh that's right, they don't have a timetable for that right now...

There are three scenarios here, period:
1-They are tanking on purpose despite the claim you can't / don't do that in the NFL.
2-He has in fact had enough of this fucking circus and is forcing their hand trying to get out without tarnishing his rep by using the media to do it.
3-He is too injured to even fucking practice- and if that is the case 9 months after surgery, all the "he's gonna come back and be better than ever" ... seriously???

1) since Luck has been with the colts he has been to the playoffs 3 times and to one afc championship game. people act like the colts have had zero success since he was drafted.

2) grigson and pagano were bad hires. grigson is gone. pagano will be soon. they shouldn't have gotten extensions. that is a fact. but you werent going to fire them after 2013 or 2014. and even then 3 years for a gm and coach is not much time to be honest. that is bare minimum you want to fire people or you look like the browns.

no gm or head coach hire is going to be a fool proof success. league consensus is that ballard was a good hire. is that not moving in the right direction

3) the colts did try and supply olinemen to protect luck. they just did a bad job. and the guy that did a bad job at that got fired. do you really think luck is going to throw a fit about that?

4) any coach worth his salt would have an open dialogue with luck to hear his concerns about the offense. if luck wanted a shorter passing game, they can do it. example is of when hasselbeck came in.

5) i heard the nfl doc that does all the radio shows and he says that there was no way luck was going to start the season. it didn't fit the recovery timeline for his surgery.

6) your posts are terrible. you come off as a little bitch

I don't think anyone said we didn't have success since he's been here- where is that Omaha can you pull that link up? I do recall a lot of discussion about how awesome it was to see us shoot back to life so quick, how blessed we were to land another 15 year legend, but also everyone expressing the same concerns about how the dude is getting killed (and some of that was him holding the ball to let a 40 yard route develop 4 out of 5 snaps for 5 years). We did gripe about that, ignoring we did that now, is foolish.

If Luck is pissed, it's because while they might have tried, they for one reason or another, failed in that regard. We are widely regarded to be the worst team in the NFL or at least competing with the Jets for that title this year. We are fucking horrible!

"I was destined to rule the football world, now my career is sh!t, there's no way we're going to be back to contending for at least 3-4 years, but hey Jim at least you tried. Sure I'll go out there and have my career end tomorrow so you can keep bodies in those seats, sure, sure...".

The naivety around these parts has become comical. There's nothing wrong here at all, nothing. We're gonna be fine, we're probably gonna sniff the playoffs this year and win the SB next year. We'll probably win 8 straight after that.

We drafted one OL this year, a major project, in the 4th. We cut him and not only kept Scott Tolzein we started an NFL opener with him (looks like a genius GM to me...). We started an undrafted rookie FA at center!

Lookout Bill and Tom, we're coming for your records.

we are widely regarded as the worst team because 3 of our 5 best playes are injured. including our star qb.

we lack talent. but the cupboard isn't bare. and we don't have a bunch of dead money on the cap or soon to be dead money. players take time to develop. you draft guys you have to play them. no team can have great depth everywhere. if those draft picks work out you are hurting.

the media slammng the colts for not winning a super bowl with Luck in his first 5 years is stupid.

the colts should be slammed for employing a shit bag like pagano. he is responsible for this ship looking so bad. him throwing his coaches and grigson under the bus publicly through leaks has been a terrible look. all while he just keeps getting worse and worse.

if pagano keeps this in house and behaves like a real man, this isn't even a conversation.

I don't think you can completely absolve Luck of blame for all the hits he's taken. He holds on to the ball way to long at times.

Having said that, the line has been bad.

That is on the coaches to change the offense then to stop him from doing that. 3 step drops and quicker passes, yet they continue to have him take 7 step drops behind a bad line.

Ballard and Irsay have got to show a commitment to the fans and a commitment to protect Luck, by either trading for or drafting a stud LT/RT between now and the beginning of the 2018 season.

I don't care if they over pay, I don't care if the pay too much to move up in the draft. I don't care if they trade away 1st round draft picks or some of our better players. I don't care if they sell the farm.

The cap space is there, let's not fucking waste it! BE BOLD!

Man I just heard a crazy stat. We beat the crap out of the OL for all the hits Luck takes- and hell yes I agree that because of a combo of scheme, lack of talent, and Luck's propensity to hold the ball forever- it leads to him getting hit far more than say NE and the dink and dunk.

That said- they just said last week's Mack run of 24 yards- was the longest for the Colts since the 2015 season!

Damn man, that just smacks of complete crapness up front for a LONG LONG LONG time. Very sad.

Well yeah, the o-line has been bad, but Gore isn't a RB that is going to break off long runs like that either.

Correct. Long runs are more of barometer of the elusiveness and speed of the RB, and the downfield blocking of the WR's and TE's than OL effectiveness.

Gore is just a grinder at this stage of his career.

No, we

Luck formally ruled out for week 3 against Cleveland and we are 2.5 point underdogs by Vegas......smh.

Late October at the earliest.

Next year.

Knowing how straightforward,and truthful the Colts have been about Luck, I'd say we're screwed.

https://mobile.twitter.com/HolderSte...75495315103744

For another team!

Shut yo mouth

It's 24 fucking yards. 24! You've had a vertical game with one of the most prolific wide receivers in the game during that span... 24 fucking yards.