Colts Acquire DT DeForest Buckner
 

No longer have to worry about who the Colts will draft at 13.......I guess Ballard loves DT's more than his draft picks.

Pick 13 for DeForest Buckner.


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Now THAT is a big move. Former 2016 1st Round (7th overall pick) out of Oregon. Will be 26 tomorrow. Here's a brief summary from http://www.sportsforecaster.com/nfl/player/21039:

"A monster inside: collapses the middle for copious sacks, and is prolific for a D-lineman making tackles. A towering talent on the D-line: jumbo-sized, yet also quick and explosively athletic. Has a truly elite wingspan with huge hands, and uses those gifts to really manhandle opponents. Knows how to get inside blockers and will move his man around. Must learn to play with more leverage and balance to get the most from his amazing size and athleticism. Gets stood up at times by mauling blockers, and sometimes gets off his feet two quickly reaching for tackles. A bit of a late bloomer who's still learning to maximize his gifts."

I love it!

Not sure how I feel about this. I don’t typically like giving up a high pick and immediately having to pay a guy top money. I’m not sure they wouldn’t have been better off in the long run taking a DT in the draft with one of the top two pics. Damn good player though.

Obviously Ballard not sold the QBs - at least at 13 - but I suppose he could always trade back into Round 1 with our seconds.

Pick up a couple more strong Defensive players in draft and this is a very good Defense.

Will be interesting to see what Ballard does with the pair of 2nd rounders now.

How did the Colts do with Booger McFarland?

Monster and is already established as opposed to an unproven guy at 13

Slow down...... We had Peyton Manning too.


Ballard might be ready to roll the dice this year. He HAS to add a QB and I'm sure he knows this. Colts Defense just got better while the Texans offense took a huge blow.

I hope this doesn't mean Ballard is going to give Rivers a blank check. I hope this does mean Ballard is pursuing Bridgewater.

Agreed - we paid a lot for him and a risky move. In comparison to the Hopkins trade earlier, looks like a comparative overpay BUT we are getting a premium guy coming into his prime, so these guys rarely available via trade and never available in free agency. No other way to get him if you believe he's an Aaron Donald-caliber player (also, I'd like to see the terms of the $21M/year contract). But still, no doubt a bold and risky move.

I don't see the risk. No guarantee the 13th pick will even pan out. Also, the guy you want at #13 might not even be there. The colts haven't been able to stop the run up the middle or collapse the pocket with an interior pass rush in a quite a while. Now they have a young, proven player.

Huh? Considerably different situations.

And I’m not hugely down on the trade. I can see the logic and the talent, but I certainly have concerns. Namely the cost of such a high pick AND a $21 / yr contract. Surprisingly this looks like win now mode to me. This a sign it is Rivers?

Quick thought - I like the trade. I was thinking Kinlaw at 13 but there was no guarantee he would be there or become what we would expect. We get a proven guy in his prime years at a spot that was sorely needed.

If they sign rivers, then ok. But I hope its for 2 or less years and doesnt break the bank.

Definitely can’t use the Hopkins trade as a comparison - that was just plain robbery. I think it’s fair from a talent perspective, I’m just surprised they made the move now, I guess.

It's risky for the reasons RM1369 said - we are giving up a first and paying the guy full market rates. And we don't know him as well as we know our own free agents, so that's a bit of a wild card as well, not to mention the fact that you never know how a guy will react to receiving this kind of money. So I think it's risky for a lot of reasons.

The cap will go up. They have room for $$ and a QB maybe next year?

Which free agents on defense the colts have are worth resigning?

Rivers only wants to play for two more years. We will still have to find a QB. Rivers is a stopgap.

Not my point - only saying that when you sign one of your own free agents to a big contract, at least you have the security of knowing the player well. When you trade for someone else's player and then pay him big bucks, there's an added element of risk because you just don't know other teams' players as well as your own.

I think we overpaid but he is a heck of a talent.

Him, Houston, Autry and Turay/Banagu on passing downs couls be pretty good.

3-tech powers this defense and we now have a 3-tech of note.

Hope we have space for D.J. Reader or Javon Hargrave for NT.

Exactly. And how well they fit and produce in your scheme. I don’t think there is much doubt Buckner will be the best DT on the Colts roster and an improvement, but will he still be All Pro level with the changes? It’s one of the major reasons free agency is so risky - so much in the NFL depends on scheme and the players around you. This is riskier than a big FA signing because not only did Buckner get paid, the team gave up the 13th pick in the draft. It’s a huge risk, for admittedly a hugely talented player at a position of need. Still a huge risk though.

For the record, I’m not saying Buckner was a product of the system or anything. Just pointing out the concern with projecting other teams players.

I freakin love this trade!!!!! Love it!!!!!

How long have we waited for Ballard to make a big move? Well 3 yrs... SO How long have we waited to have a dominate 3tech?

Woah, ok. Didn't see that one coming. Fills a huge need.

I don't know. There are some good players in this draft and 13 is a damn high pick. Plus Buckner plays on the best d-line in the league. He will not have that in Indy. We just made him the second highest DT in the league. Here are his stats compared to Donald.

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I guess its a risk no matter the path you take and we needed a dominate DT to make this defense function. Still hate giving up that high of a pick.

From Margus Hunt to Buckner. What an improvement.:) I can see Buckner playing both NT and UT sharing time with Autry and Stewart.

Tyquan Lewis is now on thin ice.

Busy, busy, day at work so I just saw this news. I absolutely love it! We got a damned pass-rusher!! Dude is a beast as well! $21M is expensive but hell, the broken running back Houston just got for Hopkins is making $14M. Salaries are just going to keep going up. Master stroke by Ballard if it works out. Fills a desperate need and puts to bed the "who to draft at 13" talk. He's gonna sell some jerseys, too. Awesome!

I don't want Rivers and Bridgewater could be more than a stopgap. You're forcing yourself into a box of having to acquire a new QB in that two year timeframe if you go with Rivers. I'd be tempted to go with Winston over Rivers for that exact reason.

Donald's age 23-25 seasons look pretty comparable to Buckner's. We can only hope that Buckner's age 26-28 seasons go as well. I agree that the pick was high, hopefully the payoff is as well.

Possibly the most stupid statement ever made on this forum!

NO!!! to Bridgewater. YUCK! Worse than Jake Brisket.

It's stupid to think Winston could resurrect his career under the tutelage of Frank Reich when we just watched Ryan Tannehill do exactly this under the tutelage of Mike Vrabel? It's a better gamble than "hope Rivers can stave off decline for 2 years, then be back in the exact same position".

Interesting emotional reaction, any data or facts to support it?

Different? He comes in mid season and teams cant run up the middle and they got push up the middle on pass rush

We know hes better than any other DT on the team

I guess you are right they are exactly the same. Colts are destined to win the SB this year. Suck’s that Buckner’s career will basically end in 2021 due to injury. But I guess a SB is worth it. Not sure how I could miss how similar the situations are.

Or it could just be hes better than anyone in the draft, they have the money, and it fills a need. Booger made the D better. So will this guy.

I believe that defense gave up more rushing yards per game after the acquisition of Booger. One person made that Defense better....... his name was Bob Sanders.

Jesus man, I get it you like the trade. But stop with the McFarland trade comparison - there is damn near nothing similar except they both play DT. Other than position it’s completely different players and completely different situations.

As far as making the D better, I don’t think there is anyone on the planet that would disagree with that. It’s simply a matter of degree and cost. I personally don’t hate the trade. I don’t think it was ridiculous, Buckner is a hell of a player. But there is a significant amount of risk with the trade too.

Not to mention the game the Jags gouged the Colts for 375 yards. Did Booger get hurt on the first play of that game or was he just bad that game. He started and didn’t record a single tackle. Most of the runs were right up the middle.

I’m glad we had Booger who did help our Defense, God knows it needed help.

But if not for Bob Sanders coming back like Superman Returns Colts don’t win that SB.

Who cares about $$$. Its not your money. Theres a lot of cap space and Irsay has an extra guitar to sell if it gets tight