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Colts And Orioles 11-10-2017 03:11 PM

Predicting Every NFL Team's 2020 Quarterback (Dan Graziano)
 
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Dan Graziano has broken up the NFL 32 teams into 3 different categories ......... "Teams With No Plan", "Teams With a Plan", and "Teams With a Good Plan".

Graziano has the Colts as a "Team with a Good Plan", predicting a surprise run to the 2018 season Super Bowl which will rejuvenate Andrew Luck's early-career hype.


Granted that most Colts fans will probably get a chuckle out of this article (particularly in regard to Graziano's proclamation about the 2018 Colts), but it could be interesting to look back at this 3 years from now to see what Graziano's hits and misses were.



Predicting Every NFL Team's 2020 QB

(By Dan Graziano)

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...l-team-2020-qb


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1965southpaw 11-10-2017 03:43 PM

Hmmm....so we send Jacoby to Carolina. I hope we got something good for him.

Dam8610 11-10-2017 04:21 PM

Head Coach Josh McDaniels...Super Bowl favorites... tells me all I need to know about the credibility of this article.

omahacolt 11-10-2017 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 39981)
Head Coach Josh McDaniels...Super Bowl favorites... tells me all I need to know about the credibility of this article.

you like head coach chuck pagano


spare me your opinions on coaches

Dam8610 11-11-2017 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 39987)
you like head coach chuck pagano


spare me your opinions on coaches

At least Pagano has had a period of success. Josh McDaniels's 2009 is the textbook for "How to Crash and Burn as a Head Coach".

YDFL Commish 11-11-2017 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 40069)
At least Pagano has had a period of success. Josh McDaniels's 2009 is the textbook for "How to Crash and Burn as a Head Coach".

And Belichick was pretty much a disaster in Cleveland.

I'm not a proponent of McDaniels by any means. But that was almost 10 years ago and perhaps he will be a much HC the 2nd time around.

Pagano has had 6 years of on the job training and he's still shitting all over himself.

Coltsalr 11-11-2017 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 40077)
And Belichick was pretty much a disaster in Cleveland.

I'm not a proponent of McDaniels by any means. But that was almost 10 years ago and perhaps he will be a much HC the 2nd time around.

Pagano has had 6 years of on the job training and he's still shitting all over himself.

Definitely sounds like he’s prepared to change his ways if given a second chance:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...pick-his-spots

Racehorse 11-11-2017 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 40078)
Definitely sounds like he’s prepared to change his ways if given a second chance:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...pick-his-spots

That is one old article. Do you just keep all the Pats articles somewhere close in case you need one?

Dam8610 11-11-2017 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 40077)
And Belichick was pretty much a disaster in Cleveland.

I'm not a proponent of McDaniels by any means. But that was almost 10 years ago and perhaps he will be a much HC the 2nd time around.

Pagano has had 6 years of on the job training and he's still shitting all over himself.

You're willing to give the train wreck that was Josh McDaniels a second chance, but Pagano, who has actually had some level of success as a NFL head coach, is a lost cause to you? That says a lot about your biases.

omahacolt 11-11-2017 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 40085)
That is one old article. Do you just keep all the Pats articles somewhere close in case you need one?

Of course he does

Coltsalr 11-11-2017 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 40085)
That is one old article. Do you just keep all the Pats articles somewhere close in case you need one?

Quote:

Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 40103)
Of course he does

Do you two still circle jerk each other to Grigson?

How's he working out in Cleveland?

YDFL Commish 11-11-2017 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 40095)
You're willing to give the train wreck that was Josh McDaniels a second chance, but Pagano, who has actually had some level of success as a NFL head coach, is a lost cause to you? That says a lot about your biases.

Apparently you didn't read the article.

WTF are you talking about "bias"? Where is the bias in admitting that Pagano is possibly the worst NFL coach since Rich Kotite. Kotite had success as well, 10-6 and 11-5 in his first 2 seasons.

So you probably think Kotite was a good coach as well?

Pagano will never be a NFL head coach again after this season. McDaniels on the other hand will be a NFL head coach again, and my bet is he'll be successful if he gets a gig with the right franchise.

omahacolt 11-11-2017 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 40112)
Do you two still circle jerk each other to Grigson?

How's he working out in Cleveland?

that wouldn't really constitute a circle jerk. you need at least 3 people. preferably 5


and i have no idea what grigson does in cleveland

Dam8610 11-11-2017 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 40113)
Apparently you didn't read the article.

WTF are you talking about "bias"? Where is the bias in admitting that Pagano is possibly the worst NFL coach since Rich Kotite. Kotite had success as well, 10-6 and 11-5 in his first 2 seasons.

So you probably think Kotite was a good coach as well?

Pagano will never be a NFL head coach again after this season. McDaniels on the other hand will be a NFL head coach again, and my bet is he'll be successful if he gets a gig with the right franchise.

Coach A: 54-39

Coach B: 40-56

Coach C: 11-17

One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just isn't the same. Can you tell which thing is not like the others, or are you too blinded by your biases?

Racehorse 11-11-2017 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 40112)
Do you two still circle jerk each other to Grigson?

How's he working out in Cleveland?

Aw, are you butthurt? Learn to take a joke, son.

Racehorse 11-11-2017 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 40121)
Coach A: 54-39

Coach B: 40-56

Coach C: 11-17

One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just isn't the same. Can you tell which thing is not like the others, or are you too blinded by your biases?

Record matters very little. SB wins and playoff wins do, to some degree. John Fox won one on the backs of an assembly of great defensive talent. I would not argue that he is great. Would you?

Coltsalr 11-11-2017 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 40127)
Aw, are you butthurt? Learn to take a joke, son.

Thought I was just going along with it.

But I suppose previous support of Grigson is no laughing matter and something that cannot be brought up in polite to company. Mea culpa.

YDFL Commish 11-11-2017 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 40121)
Coach A: 54-39

Coach B: 40-56

Coach C: 11-17

One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just isn't the same. Can you tell which thing is not like the others, or are you too blinded by your biases?

Please explain to me my biases.

Everyone but you seems to understand that Pagano's W/L record is direct result of the greatness of Andrew Luck.

This season is the perfect barometer of his coaching ability. So a 3-6 coach is what he is.

Racehorse 11-11-2017 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 40131)
Thought I was just going along with it.

But I suppose previous support of Grigson is no laughing matter and something that cannot be brought up in polite to company. Mea culpa.

Nope. You are backtracking now. Should I call you Dam?

FatDT 11-11-2017 09:51 PM

I unapologetically support bringing in McDaniels as our next HC.

Mr. Session 11-11-2017 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 40143)
I unapologetically support bringing in McDaniels as our next HC.

The guy's offense is fucking good. I really don't get the disrespect.

For all of those clamoring that Luck needs an offensive coach that can legitimately hold him accountable, this is probably the fucking guy.

Coltsalr 11-11-2017 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 40140)
Nope. You are backtracking now. Should I call you Dam?

I don’t see why you would, you’re the only acting like Dam right now.

If you want to masturbate to Grigson, please do so in private so that you won’t get mocked for it as you are right now.

Coltsalr 11-11-2017 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Session (Post 40150)
The guy's offense is fucking good. I really don't get the disrespect.

For all of those clamoring that Luck needs an offensive coach that can legitimately hold him accountable, this is probably the fucking guy.

Probably, but to play devil’s advocate and to contradict myself totally...

I’ve long felt that he’d get a bunch out of talented skill players that we have that guys like Chud/Pep couldn’t.

And yet, Dorsett and Allen have gotten WORSE in New England. Way, way worse. You’d think with their schemes they’d be able to utilize both guys very well. Obviously they’re limited as we’re aware, but they also have both skill sets that would make them potentially mismatches and yet McDaniels can’t do shit with them...

I’m not completely sold either way. Yes, he’d be better than Pagano but so would the cotton candy guy at LOS. I guess just now I might not be as completely sold on his hire as I would’ve been this past year.

Racehorse 11-12-2017 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 40152)
I don’t see why you would, you’re the only acting like Dam right now.

If you want to masturbate to Grigson, please do so in private so that you won’t get mocked for it as you are right now.

No, Dam would continue to bring up the dead. I am fully on board with Ballard. You seem to be the one obsessed with Grigson.

Mr. Session 11-12-2017 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 40153)
Probably, but to play devil’s advocate and to contradict myself totally...

I’ve long felt that he’d get a bunch out of talented skill players that we have that guys like Chud/Pep couldn’t.

And yet, Dorsett and Allen have gotten WORSE in New England. Way, way worse. You’d think with their schemes they’d be able to utilize both guys very well. Obviously they’re limited as we’re aware, but they also have both skill sets that would make them potentially mismatches and yet McDaniels can’t do shit with them...

I’m not completely sold either way. Yes, he’d be better than Pagano but so would the cotton candy guy at LOS. I guess just now I might not be as completely sold on his hire as I would’ve been this past year.

I don't think Dorsett was that good to begin with and Allen has proven to be a poor man's Martellus Bennett anyway.

I think it takes more than raw physical talent to succeed in New England's offensive scheme, like the three white boys they have up there playing WR.

Dorsett can't beat any of those guys out because he is not tough, he doesn't play as smart, and he is not as much of a football player.

Maybe there's a better offensive guy out there that could effectively develop Luck? If there is I don't know who he is.

IndyNorm 11-12-2017 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 40135)
Please explain to me my biases.

Everyone but you seems to understand that Pagano's W/L record is direct result of the greatness of Andrew Luck, whose career may be over now due to a big part of Clappy and his staffs' incompetence.

This season is the perfect barometer of his coaching ability. So a 3-6 coach is what he is.

Added some clarity for Dam.

Thorgrim 11-12-2017 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 40153)
Probably, but to play devil’s advocate and to contradict myself totally...

I’ve long felt that he’d get a bunch out of talented skill players that we have that guys like Chud/Pep couldn’t.

And yet, Dorsett and Allen have gotten WORSE in New England. Way, way worse. You’d think with their schemes they’d be able to utilize both guys very well. Obviously they’re limited as we’re aware, but they also have both skill sets that would make them potentially mismatches and yet McDaniels can’t do shit with them...

I’m not completely sold either way. Yes, he’d be better than Pagano but so would the cotton candy guy at LOS. I guess just now I might not be as completely sold on his hire as I would’ve been this past year.

They have cotton candy at LOS? I was looking for a reason to fly out for a colts game this year. Thanks!

Oldcolt 11-12-2017 02:45 PM

Pagano is shit.

DrSpaceman 11-12-2017 05:46 PM

What NE assistant coach has gone on to real sustained success in the NFL?

No to McDaniels.

Coltsalr 11-12-2017 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 40534)
What NE assistant coach has gone on to real sustained success in the NFL?

No to McDaniels.

Bill O’Brien has done okay.

Dam8610 11-13-2017 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 40128)
Record matters very little. SB wins and playoff wins do, to some degree. John Fox won one on the backs of an assembly of great defensive talent. I would not argue that he is great. Would you?

Your first statement is as accurate as your second. When you can get facts right, then maybe we can talk opinions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 40135)
Please explain to me my biases.

Everyone but you seems to understand that Pagano's W/L record is direct result of the greatness of Andrew Luck.

This season is the perfect barometer of his coaching ability. So a 3-6 coach is what he is.

No one consistently wins in the NFL without a franchise QB. In other news, water is wet. Your bias is the same confirmation bias most of you here seem to have regarding Pagano.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 40143)
I unapologetically support bringing in McDaniels as our next HC.

Why do you unapologetically support wasting several more years of Andrew Luck's career?

Quote:

Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 40193)
Added some clarity for Dam.

There's no "clarity" there, only unsupported and baseless speculation. No doctor that has evaluated Andrew Luck has made any sort of suggestion that a possibility of his career being over exists. I'll take their opinions over D'Qwell Jackson's "expert" medical opinion.

FatDT 11-13-2017 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 40745)
Why do you unapologetically support wasting several more years of Andrew Luck's career?

Because you touch yourself at night.

DrSpaceman 11-13-2017 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 40552)
Bill O’Brien has done okay.

30-27 in his tenure so far in Houston with one wild card playoff win

Yes, that typifies the description of "OK".

YDFL Commish 11-13-2017 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 40745)
Your first statement is as accurate as your second. When you can get facts right, then maybe we can talk opinions.



No one consistently wins in the NFL without a franchise QB. In other news, water is wet. Your bias is the same confirmation bias most of you here seem to have regarding Pagano.



Why do you unapologetically support wasting several more years of Andrew Luck's career?



There's no "clarity" there, only unsupported and baseless speculation. No doctor that has evaluated Andrew Luck has made any sort of suggestion that a possibility of his career being over exists. I'll take their opinions over D'Qwell Jackson's "expert" medical opinion.

3-7

Racehorse 11-13-2017 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 40793)
3-7

Even worse is that is the fact that the talent is there to compete, but we have lost 5 close games due to inept coaching. With an average coach, we are 6-4 or 7-3, even without Luck.

omahacolt 11-13-2017 07:00 PM

dam still defending pagano


has this board seen anything so sad and pathetic

FatDT 11-13-2017 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 40802)
dam still defending pagano


has this board seen anything so sad and pathetic

The answer is no.

Racehorse 11-13-2017 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 40802)
dam still defending pagano


has this board seen anything so sad and pathetic

Maybe Tom Simpson, but he eventually went away and stopped with taking his stance.

IndyNorm 11-13-2017 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 40745)


There's no "clarity" there, only unsupported and baseless speculation. No doctor that has evaluated Andrew Luck has made any sort of suggestion that a possibility of his career being over exists. I'll take their opinions over D'Qwell Jackson's "expert" medical opinion.

Who cares what D'Qwell Jackson says, but the fact that Luck is in another continent getting his shoulder worked on tells you all you need to know about the doctors who have evaluated him. And if he does come back good as new it means that Clappy and his clowns have had a huge hand in wasting at least 3 years of Luck's prime.

omahacolt 11-13-2017 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 40828)
Who cares what D'Qwell Jackson says, but the fact that Luck is in another continent getting his shoulder worked on tells you all you need to know about the doctors who have evaluated him. And if he does come back good as new it means that Clappy and his clowns have had a huge hand in wasting at least 3 years of Luck's prime.

Manning did the same thing.


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