Do you two still circle jerk each other to Grigson?

How's he working out in Cleveland?

Apparently you didn't read the article.

WTF are you talking about "bias"? Where is the bias in admitting that Pagano is possibly the worst NFL coach since Rich Kotite. Kotite had success as well, 10-6 and 11-5 in his first 2 seasons.

So you probably think Kotite was a good coach as well?

Pagano will never be a NFL head coach again after this season. McDaniels on the other hand will be a NFL head coach again, and my bet is he'll be successful if he gets a gig with the right franchise.

that wouldn't really constitute a circle jerk. you need at least 3 people. preferably 5


and i have no idea what grigson does in cleveland

Coach A: 54-39

Coach B: 40-56

Coach C: 11-17

One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just isn't the same. Can you tell which thing is not like the others, or are you too blinded by your biases?

Aw, are you butthurt? Learn to take a joke, son.

Record matters very little. SB wins and playoff wins do, to some degree. John Fox won one on the backs of an assembly of great defensive talent. I would not argue that he is great. Would you?

Thought I was just going along with it.

But I suppose previous support of Grigson is no laughing matter and something that cannot be brought up in polite to company. Mea culpa.

Please explain to me my biases.

Everyone but you seems to understand that Pagano's W/L record is direct result of the greatness of Andrew Luck.

This season is the perfect barometer of his coaching ability. So a 3-6 coach is what he is.

Nope. You are backtracking now. Should I call you Dam?

I unapologetically support bringing in McDaniels as our next HC.