Fuck the Pats
 

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=19350856

That's what you get for going to ESPN for content.

ESPN = Eastern Seaboard Promotional Network

:cool:

Watch the Herd instead. Cowherd, who is 1000 times smarter than Tedi, talked about how good Luck is and made some damn good points. Anything that comes out of Tedi's or Rodney Harrison's mouth is pretty much bullshit. Can't stand either one of those bitches.

Stephen A Smith could fit into the category of buffoon also, talking shit about PM now and how he doesn't deserve a statue.

https://youtu.be/6csd9rIvgWU

Also ESPN is giving us 8 wins. (@LAR, ARI, CLE, SAN, JAX, TEN, @JAX, DEN)

I think we lose to Denver, Arizona, and probably beat Houston in Indy.

It amazes me that people watch espn

2016 NFL ranks
Pass TDs: 5th
Pass Yds: 8th
QB Rating: 9th

That's a "middle of the pack QB"?

About time this thread title came up. Can we get a sticky on this one to add to it every week or so?

I record PTI every day but other than that I only watch live games.

You gotta change your attitude if your a fan of this team.

It has become blatantly obvious that the media at this point has little to say about Indianapolis that isn't negative or at times flat out disrespectful. Somehow Indianapolis went from being the "big brother" of the division to the red headed step child in the nation's eyes, despite maintaining a relatively successful record in relation to the rest of the league.

After Deflate Gate things really went downhill for this franchise. I gotta hope Ballard can change that. I rarely hear anything positive about Indianapolis, despite the fact I really don't believe Houston, Tennessee, or Jacksonville are really that much better than the Colts.

why would you do that?

I just came here to say FUCK THE PATS

I like Kornheiser and Wilbon together. ESPN also shows live games sometimes.

I never watch ESPN, don't even have cable....I do however follow several of their people (that are still remaining) on twitter, for league news

The criticism of Luck is pretty unfair. I saw something on ESPN yesterday where they were criticizing him for throwing too many INTs. Thing is, he doesn't really throw a lot of them!
Luck's first 5 years: 18, 9, 16, 12,13
Years 1, 3 and 4 (12 ints in limited play) were problematic, but year 1 is forgivable, and year 4 was a fucked up season.
But consider some of the numbers from those considered all time greats:

P. Manning: 28, 15, 15, 23, 19 (I mean wow, that's terrible!)
D. Marino: 6*, 17, 21, 23, 13, 23 (*first year was not a full season, so I included a 6th year)
J. Elway: 14, 15, 23, 13, 12 (overall comparable to Luck's numbers)
J. Montana: 9, 12, 11, 12, 10 (now those are some good numbers, but that west coast scheme was revolutionary back then)
T. Brady: 12, 14, 12, 14, 14 (and this is from a guy generally reputed to be safe with the ball, and was playing in a more conservative system in his first few years)
B. Favre: 13, 24, 14, 13, 13 (and who went on to have several more 20+ INT seasons later in his career)

So there's literally nothing unusually high about Luck's INT numbers. I didn't even bother factoring in things like TDs and attempts, so that the numbers could be seen more as an INT rate instead of raw numbers, but given how much we throw the ball, Luck's INT rate is surely low compared to these others QBs.

which is exactly why i stopped watching espn.


they say stuff that isn't really true and run with it. and then it gets just stuck to that player.

it isn't actual analysis. it is bullshit.

Fuck it let em keep bashing Luck, players use that shit as motivation

Two articles on NFL.com today:

First one ranks the top 15 offenses in the league....Colts are not even in the list other than at the end as an "honorable mention."

Second article listed the 2016 division winners in reverse order of whom is most "safe" to repeat and who is most vulnerable to getting beat out in 2017. HOU was listed as most vulnerable but TEN was identified as the team to do so with no mention of the Colts.

Keep swimming under the radar. Just keep swimming, swimming.....

Cheers,

I love the idea that we are under the radar and I have a large sense of optimism that we will win our division and a playoff game this year.

What I don't have is any sense whatsoever of persecution... What evidence does the press have to put the colts into the top half of the league, or that we will win our division? I see none... I see a team with massive holes, poor coaching and an culture that things saying "we have to get better" is ok.

As soon as they can PROVE otherwise by example, then I will feel like my team is being persecuted / underrated.

How is a top 10 scoring offense that essentially returns all its key contributors not evidence of a top 15 offense?

and fuck the pats

I'd like to wish the Patsies Happy Mother's Day, because they are Mother F'ers!

I'll start with Brady's wife. The rest of you can work on the others.

easy money

That's the problem. They make analyzations in a vacuum. Or they make it compared to say Brady today who has a lot more experience and plays in a different system meant to get it out quickly. "Hey he threw 18 ints one year, that is way too much" round table circle jerks each other over expert analysis.

I would start by saying 8-8.

Then I would probably try to get the witness to mention 3rd place in the AFC south.

I would probably close with the fact that the Texans more or less tried to give us the division late in the season and the colts, despite being a top ten scoring offense, could not execute.

This is as stupid as people who said Brady is better than Manning because Championships.

Yes, the defense sucked. What does that have to do with the fact that you will not find 15 better collections of offensive talent anywhere than what the Colts have?

I get what you are saying But it's a lot different. People are comparing Tom Brady to a massive and proven body of work that was Manning's time with the Colts and Denver. There's no real solid proof that Brady is better then manning or vise versa, so homer fans have to draw on technicalities as evidence.

8-8 and third place in the weakest division in football is not a technicality. Are there 15 teams worse than that?

You are acting as if I don't recognize that there is any offensive talent on this team. That's not the case. My original point was that sports columnists are not underrating the colts if they think they will finish 3rd in the AFC south next year.

I never said anything about where the team will finish in the standings. Offenses and teams are not the same thing. It's possible to have a great offense on a mediocre or bad team, because there are three phases to the game, and if your defense is atrocious (as the Colts defense was last year), it can drag down the overall team performance quite a bit (as it did last year). I'm not arguing that anyone should be picking the Colts to win the AFC South (though I could easily see that happening), my argument was very simply that you won't find 15 offenses in the NFL with the talent or proven performance of the Colts offense. To refute that argument would require naming 15 NFL offenses that would meet those qualifications. Arguing against the 2016 team's overall performance is entirely irrelevant to my argument.

Tom Brady is better than Manning.

Hate to say it but he just is. Last year's Superbowl did it for me.

Yes, it was a epic choke by the Falcons, but a lot of it had to do with Tom Brady's aura.

In the 2nd half you know the Falcons were like "oh sh*t! Here comes Tom Brady and those lesbians."

Manning, for as great as he was never instilled that kinda fear to opposing teams on the big stage.

Manning imposed that kind of fear into Bill Belicheat when he (Manning) was at his worst. Belicheat didn't take the points twice against Denver, and it cost him an AFC Championship.

Besides, if you take away from Brady accomplishments that were gotten by cheating, he doesn't compare to Manning at all.

In other patriots news this morning Brady's wife was on cbs this morning claiming that hubby had several concussions last season. Lol, of course none of them made it to the injury report. Oops

Thanks for clearing up the fact that there are three phases to the game. In the 40 years that I have been an NFL fan that one has always stumped me.

Yes, the Colts round out the top 10 in offensive yards gained per ESPN. I wont insult you by asking if that means they are a top 10 offense.

You used the term "proven performance" in stating that I needed to name 15 offenses. Is net yards gained really "proven performance?" Can I use Rushing yards as "proven performance?" (The colts were 23rd)

You are asking me to quantify the proven performance of 15 offenses including their level of talent. Should we rank talent over passing yards? Is receiving talent worth more of less than Offensive Line talent? What if I rate Jack Dolye a 94, but you still really cant dance to it?

There is no way any one can do this, not me, not you, not sherck. This is why they play the games. Last year the colts managed to lose as many as they won.

They're the Patriots, they're not required to comply with NFL rules and regulations. Only the other 31 teams have to follow those.

I don't understand how you equate overall team performance to offensive talent or performance. It just doesn't add up. Only 7 NFL teams scored more points than the Colts last year. To me, that indicates that the problem with team performance lies elsewhere on the team.

To be honest, I just explained it. If you want to keep grabbing a stat and telling me what it means, go ahead.

You and I both know there is more to football than stats. This offense is suspect until it proves otherwise. We score this many points and yards because we have Andrew luck. We lost to the Steelers 28-7 on thanksgiving day under Tolzien.


Edit: Fuck the Pats

He argues with Stop signs ... :cool:

Fuck the Pats... Bruins... Redsox... Celtics... basically any team that awful fanbase supports.