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Dam8610 04-30-2019 12:03 AM

2019 Draft Class Scouting Reports
 
CB Rock Ya-Sin, Temple

http://i66.tinypic.com/552pkx.jpg

Strengths
Versatile, capable of playing both man and zone well. Fluid hips allow for quick changes of direction which helps him to mirror receivers and stick to his man in coverage. Tracks the ball well in the air, putting himself in position to make plays he shouldn't have opportunities to make. Can run deep with receivers and does not get beat over the top in man or deep zone. Fights for the football when in the air, does not let the receiver make a clean catch. Not afraid to come up in run support, always goes after a ballcarrier with aggression.

Weaknesses
Occasionally struggles to get a successful jam in press man coverage. Is forced to use athleticism to cover for technique mistakes at times. Isn't always the surest tackler, especially against the run.

Other
Team Captain. Awarded single digit number which are given to the nine players deemed "toughest" on the team at Temple.

Player Comparison
Richard Sherman

HoosierinFL 04-30-2019 09:38 AM

Good stuff. Tackling technique can be coached. And he won't be asked to play press man coverage.

Dam8610 04-30-2019 06:38 PM

LB Ben Banogu, TCU

https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/p...fmxvs4pdkbakhq

Strengths
Plays fast and physical. Can track down ballcarriers and displays sideline to sideline speed. Showed ability to run with backs and tight ends in coverage. Disciplined run defender who maintains control of his gap and often makes plays in the backfield. Uses athleticism primarily to generate pressure on QB, made his biggest impact on film as a pass rusher using interior stunts and delayed blitzes. Spies well. Relentless motor, does not quit on plays which led to some effort sacks and running down ballcarriers from behind. Punches at the ball and attempts to create turnovers.

Weaknesses
Has no rush plan and very rudimentary rush moves. Needs a lot of work in this area. Snap was typically over if he went up against a tackle who got hands on him. Sticks to blocks, needs to find a way to effectively shed and wrap up ballcarriers more frequently. Doesn't always have the best tackling form, which leads to the occasional missed tackle.

Other
First team All Big 12 in 2017 and 2018.

Player Comparison
T.J. Watt

Luck4Reich 04-30-2019 06:58 PM

The two players I'm most excited to watch are Banogu and Campbell

Dam8610 04-30-2019 07:30 PM

WR Parris Campbell OSU

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/S_-g...11917808.0.jpg

Strengths
Dangerous with the ball in his hands. Playmaker. Any touch can end in a TD. Turns short routes into big plays routinely with speed and athleticism. Very capable of making defenders miss in the open field. Rarely drops a catchable ball. Adjusts routes based on coverage defense runs, is often able to find the soft spot in a zone defense. When he blocks, good blocker who can help a runner turn a short or medium gain into a long gain.

Weaknesses
Did not show the ability to run the full route tree in college. Route running could use work, ideally cuts would be sharper and steps would not be wasted. Occasionally does not give full effort on a play if he knows the ball is not coming his way and has missed run blocks that could potentially spring big plays as a result.

Other
Team Captain in 2017 and 2018. First team All Big Ten 2018.

Player Comparison
Tyreek Hill

Coltsalr 04-30-2019 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 119053)
LB Ben Banogu, TCU

https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/p...fmxvs4pdkbakhq

Strengths
Plays fast and physical. Can track down ballcarriers and displays sideline to sideline speed. Showed ability to run with backs and tight ends in coverage. Disciplined run defender who maintains control of his gap and often makes plays in the backfield. Uses athleticism primarily to generate pressure on QB, made his biggest impact on film as a pass rusher using interior stunts and delayed blitzes. Spies well. Relentless motor, does not quit on plays which led to some effort sacks and running down ballcarriers from behind. Punches at the ball and attempts to create turnovers.

Weaknesses
Has no rush plan and very rudimentary rush moves. Needs a lot of work in this area. Snap was typically over if he went up against a tackle who got hands on him. Sticks to blocks, needs to find a way to effectively shed and wrap up ballcarriers more frequently. Doesn't always have the best tackling form, which leads to the occasional missed tackle.

Other
First team All Big 12 in 2017 and 2018.

Player Comparison
T.J. Watt

Kevin Bowen said on his podcast that he sees Banogu being moved to SAM. Based off this report seems like that might be a better move than him staying at DE?

Chromeburn 04-30-2019 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 119068)
Kevin Bowen said on his podcast that he sees Banogu being moved to SAM. Based off this report seems like that might be a better move than him staying at DE?

Heard Ballard tonight say they will play him at SAM at MIKE and on third down they will move him around and experiment. When talking about him he said TCU moved him all over the place, as LB, as EDGE, as 3-tech. He said he was excelling at all positions when out there, has a jack of all trades value.

Dam8610 05-01-2019 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 119068)
Kevin Bowen said on his podcast that he sees Banogu being moved to SAM. Based off this report seems like that might be a better move than him staying at DE?

I think that will be his best NFL fit, at least initially while he improves his strength and learns pass rush moves, at which point a transition to DE could be feasible. That's why my player comparison for him was T.J. Watt. High energy, high motor tweener that has the athleticism to get after the QB with improved play strength and pass rush technique. Watt is the high end outcome of that type of player.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 119069)
Heard Ballard tonight say they will play him at SAM at MIKE and on third down they will move him around and experiment. When talking about him he said TCU moved him all over the place, as LB, as EDGE, as 3-tech. He said he was excelling at all positions when out there, has a jack of all trades value.

So they already envision him supplanting Walker on nickel sub packages? They certainly have a lot of confidence in his athletic ability. Personally, I'd have Okereke taking that role if anyone from this draft.

Chromeburn 05-01-2019 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 119072)
I think that will be his best NFL fit, at least initially while he improves his strength and learns pass rush moves, at which point a transition to DE could be feasible. That's why my player comparison for him was T.J. Watt. High energy, high motor tweener that has the athleticism to get after the QB with improved play strength and pass rush technique. Watt is the high end outcome of that type of player.



So they already envision him supplanting Walker on nickel sub packages? They certainly have a lot of confidence in his athletic ability. Personally, I'd have Okereke taking that role if anyone from this draft.

I believe he said Okereke will play mike and sam. More mike though. He didn't use the word supplant though. I think he sees them all getting playing time. Talked about how they were thin at linebacker at one point last year because everyone was hurt. They had a long meeting about it at the end of the year and wanted to add depth, speed, and length. Said they were just getting the pieces for Eberflus and that he would figure out how to use them. Said they were still a 4-3 tampa-2 system, but it was really Eberflus' unique spin on it. I got the impression guys are going to move around a lot and some guys may have multiple positions.

Dam8610 05-01-2019 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 119073)
I believe he said Okereke will play mike and sam. More mike though. He didn't use the word supplant though. I think he sees them all getting playing time. Talked about how they were thin at linebacker at one point last year because everyone was hurt. They had a long meeting about it at the end of the year and wanted to add depth, speed, and length. Said they were just getting the pieces for Eberflus and that he would figure out how to use them. Said they were still a 4-3 tampa-2 system, but it was really Eberflus' unique spin on it. I got the impression guys are going to move around a lot and some guys may have multiple positions.

I think we may see some 3-3-5 nickel packages this year, maybe even some 2-4-5 packages. They certainly have the personnel for it now.

JAFF 05-01-2019 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 118990)
Good stuff. Tackling technique can be coached. And he won't be asked to play press man coverage.

Tackling is all about heart. It hurts.

omahacolt 05-01-2019 07:25 AM

I really don’t see the hype with Banogu.

YDFL Commish 05-01-2019 07:35 AM

Would a more athletic Marcus Washington comparison be fair for Banogu?

VeveJones007 05-01-2019 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 119084)
I really don’t see the hype with Banogu.

He's the one pick I'm hesitant about. Seems like it was too high to take a guy who they're largely projecting based on a position change.

omahacolt 05-01-2019 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 119085)
Would a more athletic Marcus Washington comparison be fair for Banogu?

I hope he can be that. I had the same thought on Sunday when trying to picture what he could be

GoBigBlue88 05-01-2019 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 119084)
I really don’t see the hype with Banogu.

He's a super-athlete, basically. YMMV on what that actually suggests as a player.

https://twitter.com/JayVeeThree/stat...49811275948032

Oldcolt 05-01-2019 11:17 AM

I think this may be a very good draft class. I can also say that this roster is so good that I cannot see one guy who is a guaranteed starter. There are guys who I think will be starting, even start on opening day. There is just nobody I would pencil in as a starter right now. When was the last time that was true? Maybe 2010 but that was after 2009 when we should have been undefeated. We are starting to develop depth!!

rcubed 05-01-2019 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 119106)
I think this may be a very good draft class. I can also say that this roster is so good that I cannot see one guy who is a guaranteed starter. There are guys who I think will be starting, even start on opening day. There is just nobody I would pencil in as a starter right now. When was the last time that was true? Maybe 2010 but that was after 2009 when we should have been undefeated. We are starting to develop depth!!



What do you mean you cant see one guaranteed starter? On the whole roster or from the draft pics?


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Chromeburn 05-01-2019 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 119105)
He's a super-athlete, basically. YMMV on what that actually suggests as a player.

https://twitter.com/JayVeeThree/stat...49811275948032

That looks like a nerd stat for nerds.

Chromeburn 05-01-2019 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 119117)
What do you mean you cant see one guaranteed starter? On the whole roster or from the draft pics?


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Did you see a guaranteed starter before the draft? Even first round picks at whatever position I was wondering if they would be a starter. SAM was the easiest position to project I thought, and that is s position on the field only 30% of the time.

Oldcolt 05-01-2019 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 119117)
What do you mean you cant see one guaranteed starter? On the whole roster or from the draft pics?


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Obviously the draft picks.

VeveJones007 05-01-2019 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 119117)
What do you mean you cant see one guaranteed starter? On the whole roster or from the draft pics?

He means from the draft picks.

Oldcolt 05-01-2019 03:42 PM

To be a little clearer. On the first day of practice, after last years draft, both Nelson and Leonard lined up with the first team. I don't think anyone will be lining up from this draft on the first team at the first practice. I am not saying that none of the draft picks will start for us this year. I actually expect a couple of them to earn (and that is the key) a starting position sometime this year, maybe even the first game. I was attempting to give props for us beginning to develop some depth on this roster.

Puck 05-01-2019 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 119099)
I hope he can be that. I had the same thought on Sunday when trying to picture what he could be

Awesome. Because you thought the D last yr was going to suck. So we’re on the right track.

Butter 05-01-2019 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 119106)
I think this may be a very good draft class. I can also say that this roster is so good that I cannot see one guy who is a guaranteed starter. There are guys who I think will be starting, even start on opening day. There is just nobody I would pencil in as a starter right now. When was the last time that was true? Maybe 2010 but that was after 2009 when we should have been undefeated. We are starting to develop depth!!

I think there is a very good chance Campbell is the primary WR3/Slot from day one, maybe not technically a starter.

Luck4Reich 05-01-2019 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butter (Post 119164)
I think there is a very good chance Campbell is the primary WR3/Slot from day one, maybe not technically a starter.

Agree with this. Reich will use his speed every chance his gets too. Dude is a homerun threat and will exploit defenses.

Coltsalr 05-01-2019 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 119058)
WR Parris Campbell OSU

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/S_-g...11917808.0.jpg

Strengths
Dangerous with the ball in his hands. Playmaker. Any touch can end in a TD. Turns short routes into big plays routinely with speed and athleticism. Very capable of making defenders miss in the open field. Rarely drops a catchable ball. Adjusts routes based on coverage defense runs, is often able to find the soft spot in a zone defense. When he blocks, good blocker who can help a runner turn a short or medium gain into a long gain.

Weaknesses
Did not show the ability to run the full route tree in college. Route running could use work, ideally cuts would be sharper and steps would not be wasted. Occasionally does not give full effort on a play if he knows the ball is not coming his way and has missed run blocks that could potentially spring big plays as a result.

Other
Team Captain in 2017 and 2018. First team All Big Ten 2018.

Player Comparison
Tyreek Hill

In your view, what separates him from Phil Dorsett (another guy with blazing speed) and makes him more Tyreek Hill (hopefully minus the horrific domestic abuse) and less Phil Dorsett (unable to translate any of the similarly game breaking speed)?

YDFL Commish 05-01-2019 09:25 PM

This isn't Phillip Dorsett.

Chromeburn 05-01-2019 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 119169)
In your view, what separates him from Phil Dorsett (another guy with blazing speed) and makes him more Tyreek Hill (hopefully minus the horrific domestic abuse) and less Phil Dorsett (unable to translate any of the similarly game breaking speed)?

I like a Percy Harvin comp for him myself.

Butter 05-01-2019 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 119172)
I like a Percy Harvin comp for him myself.

Without the migraines.

Dam8610 05-01-2019 11:41 PM

LB Bobby Okereke, Stanford

https://i.imgur.com/boupLMG.jpg

Strengths
Reads the play very well and usually puts himself in good position by diagnosing the play. Often gets downhill quickly against the run and regularly demonstrates sideline to sideline speed. Often shot gaps and made plays in the backfield against the run. Excels at delayed blitzes and will put pressure on the QB from a spy position or a delayed blitz. Excels in coverage, both man and zone. Stanford regularly matched him up with receivers and he was rarely beat. Also regularly showed ability to run with backs and tight ends. Reads the QB's eyes in zone and puts himself in position to make plays regularly. Helped to create several coverage sacks for Stanford.

Weaknesses
Needs to improve play strength and use length better to shed blocks. When blocked, struggles to shed and gets pushed back. Easily washed out of plays by blocking far too often, allowing large running lanes to open. Misses far too many open field tackles, at times because of struggling to shed blocks. Occasionally bites on play fakes and takes a false step forward.

Other
Team Captain. All PAC 12 Honorable Mention 2017 and 2018

Player Comparison
Eric Kendricks

Dam8610 05-01-2019 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 119084)
I really don’t see the hype with Banogu.

I didn't like where he was picked. I thought 49 was a couple rounds early for him. He's got traits, though, so maybe the coaches can turn him into a player.

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 119085)
Would a more athletic Marcus Washington comparison be fair for Banogu?

It would certainly be a more likely comp than mine, but my comps are based on best case scenario. I see Banogu's ceiling as T.J. Watt, so a more athletic Marcus Washington is a much more likely outcome.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 119169)
In your view, what separates him from Phil Dorsett (another guy with blazing speed) and makes him more Tyreek Hill (hopefully minus the horrific domestic abuse) and less Phil Dorsett (unable to translate any of the similarly game breaking speed)?

Honestly? Ability to catch the ball, elusiveness, and tackle breaking ability. Dorsett had good straight line speed, but he was small and didn't make defenders miss. Campbell plays fast, but he can also elude or run over defenders when he needs to. Also bear in mind Hill is the best case scenario comp. And to be clear, that's on the field only. Campbell is an incredibly high character guy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 119172)
I like a Percy Harvin comp for him myself.

So does NFL.com. I try not to use the same comps as they do. I also don't really like comparing Campbell to Hill or Harvin because he's nothing like them off the field and could even be a team leader in time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butter (Post 119173)
Without the migraines.

So much this. Campbell is only potentially like Hill on the field. Can't stress that enough.

YDFL Commish 05-02-2019 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 119178)
It would certainly be a more likely comp than mine, but my comps are based on best case scenario. I see Banogu's ceiling as T.J. Watt, so a more athletic Marcus Washington is a much more likely outcome.

I always thought that Marcus Washington was a pretty good player for us especially from the pass rush standpoint.

I think the reason the Colts moved on from Marcus Washington and moved Thornton to SAM for 2004 was because Washington offered nothing in pass defense.

If Banogu can produce like Washington, and give us decent play in pass defense, then it's a good pick.

Coltsalr 05-02-2019 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 119170)
This isn't Phillip Dorsett.

I'm aware. In fact, I even said this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 119172)
I like a Percy Harvin comp for him myself.

And this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butter (Post 119173)
Without the migraines.

Right after he was drafted last Friday night:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 118244)
Campbell was my favorite WR besides the Ole Miss boys.

He could be Percy Harvin without the migraines. The packages we could make with Hines/Campbell could be downright scary.

http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/show...244#post118244

So yes, I'm well aware that he isn't Phil Dorsett, nor do I expect him to be.

Just because I ask a question, doesn't mean I agree with it.

Since Dam had taken the time to do a deep dive into Campbell, I was curious of what characteristics he might see in Campbell specifically. I have my own ideas (which it appears Dam largely confirmed) but I can't claim to have studied him extensively (as I alluded to in the above post, I'm an Ole Miss fan and I watch mostly SEC football. Dam I believe is a Purdue fan so I think he's watched more Campbell than I have in addition to the fact that he did a deep dive tape study).

Dewey 5 05-02-2019 08:20 PM

I recently watched the Ohio State-TCU game on ESPNU to see Parris Campbell & Ben Banogu. Campbell displayed his blazzing speed. When he gets behind the D or beats his defender by a step, forget it, the guy is gone. Watching Banogu, & I realize it was just one game, he didn't impress that much. Seemed to be easily blocked when going head on & was always a tick late getting to qb Haskins. He did have one nice pressure that resuted in an incomplete pass because Haskins had to get rid of the ball early.

Not that it matters but Dre'Mont Jones looked very good. I still think he would have been a great fit.

Dam8610 05-03-2019 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 119268)
I recently watched the Ohio State-TCU game on ESPNU to see Parris Campbell & Ben Banogu. Campbell displayed his blazzing speed. When he gets behind the D or beats his defender by a step, forget it, the guy is gone. Watching Banogu, & I realize it was just one game, he didn't impress that much. Seemed to be easily blocked when going head on & was always a tick late getting to qb Haskins. He did have one nice pressure that resuted in an incomplete pass because Haskins had to get rid of the ball early.

Not that it matters but Dre'Mont Jones looked very good. I still think he would have been a great fit.

I've heard that game was Banogu's worst tape.

Discflinger 05-03-2019 09:22 AM

Which one of you guys is Chris?

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2019/5/...hillip-dorsett

Dewey 5 05-03-2019 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 119279)
I've heard that game was Banogu's worst tape.

Could have been. Ohio State isn't a walk in the park but he'll be facing better competition every Sunday in the NFL. We should not be to harsh on this guy in year one. I get that we live in the right now world but there is nothing wrong with a player developing & getting acclimated to NFL football. Nothing at all,

Chromeburn 05-04-2019 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 119264)
I'm aware. In fact, I even said this:



And this:



Right after he was drafted last Friday night:



http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/show...244#post118244

So yes, I'm well aware that he isn't Phil Dorsett, nor do I expect him to be.

Just because I ask a question, doesn't mean I agree with it.

Since Dam had taken the time to do a deep dive into Campbell, I was curious of what characteristics he might see in Campbell specifically. I have my own ideas (which it appears Dam largely confirmed) but I can't claim to have studied him extensively (as I alluded to in the above post, I'm an Ole Miss fan and I watch mostly SEC football. Dam I believe is a Purdue fan so I think he's watched more Campbell than I have in addition to the fact that he did a deep dive tape study).

I think he will be ok. Dorsett was soft. He just didn’t work enough to get open and get yac. You can tell Campbell was a rb before. He runs like it after the catch. Also he can contribute right away in the short passing game and screen game, sweeps etc. As he develops as a receiver in other areas.

One thing that concerned me was he only caught one pass over 20 yards. But he was so ridiculously effective in his role, they didn’t need him to, anyway, he is a few years away from being a complete receiver. But he should have an impact on certain plays right away.

YDFL Commish 05-04-2019 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 119349)
I think he will be ok. Dorsett was soft. He just didn’t work enough to get open and get yac. You can tell Campbell was a rb before. He runs like it after the catch. Also he can contribute right away in the short passing game and screen game, sweeps etc. As he develops as a receiver in other areas.

One thing that concerned me was he only caught one pass over 20 yards. But he was so ridiculously effective in his role, they didn’t need him to, anyway, he is a few years away from being a complete receiver. But he should have an impact on certain plays right away.

Urban Meyer's offenses rarely take shots down the field. How many NFL QB's have his offenses produced?

Alex Smith, and it took years for him to develop and has never been known as a downfield passer.

Campbell will not have a problem getting open deep.


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