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VeveJones007 04-26-2019 01:07 AM

2019 NFL Draft Day 2
 
Decided to get this thread started. Several really solid options still available on Day 2. Here’s a quick list:

S: Chauncey Gardner-Johnson
S: Nasir Adderley
CB: Byron Murphy
CB: Justin Layne
CB: Rock Ya-Sin
CB: Lonnie Johnson
WR: AJ Brown
EDGE: Chase Winovich
DT: Dre'mont Jones
EDGE: Jaylon Ferguson
EDGE: Oshane Ximenes
S: Taylor Rapp
WR: Riley Ridley
WR: Deebo Samuel
WR: Terry McLaurin
WR: Paris Campbell
RG/RT: Cody Ford
RT: Jawaan Taylor (knee)

VeveJones007 04-26-2019 01:10 AM

If there’s a decent trade offer, I expect Ballard to considering moving from 34 back towards the middle of Rd2.

I’d love to come out of tomorrow with something like Ferguson or Winovich, Jones, Rapp, and one of the receivers or corners.

smitty46953 04-26-2019 01:25 AM

I like Hakeem Butler too

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VeveJones007 04-26-2019 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 117892)
I like Hakeem Butler too

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Mecole Hardman is another name to watch. I could see Ballard valuing a guy with great return ability after seeing the impact from Hill and Hester.

VeveJones007 04-26-2019 01:54 AM

If they stay at 34, I have a hunch they’ll go with Ferguson.

Puck 04-26-2019 02:20 AM

Not sure if you all listened to the press conference, but I believe he is looking to trade back again. I could see Miami or Cincy wanting to get to Drew Lock

Also as I added in the other thread.

Jawaan Taylor is still on the board.

Dam8610 04-26-2019 02:28 AM

D'Andre Walker
Juan Thornhill
Amani Hooker
Anthony Nelson

Of names not already listed

Puck 04-26-2019 02:41 AM

RB Darrell Henderson
RB. David Montgomery
CB. Greedy Williams
DE. Zach Allen
EDGE Ben Bangu
Edge LJ Collier
OT Dalton Risner

Dam8610 04-26-2019 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 117906)
RB Darrell Henderson
RB. David Montgomery
CB. Greedy Williams
DE. Zach Allen
EDGE Ben Bangu
Edge LJ Collier
OT Dalton Risner

Stay as far away from Zach Allen as possible. He's a bust in the making.

YDFL Commish 04-26-2019 07:43 AM

Good players left, but damn DL is really tapped out.

Maniac 04-26-2019 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 117921)
Good players left, but damn DL is really tapped out.

In a DL heavy draft too. That sucks

Coltsalr 04-26-2019 07:58 AM

Colts must think more highly of Turay and Lewis than we do.

Not saying they're right or wrong, but they have made investment in the DL previously. Let's hope we get more ROI than we did last year.

Luck4Reich 04-26-2019 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 117906)
RB Darrell Henderson
RB. David Montgomery
CB. Greedy Williams
DE. Zach Allen
EDGE Ben Bangu
Edge LJ Collier
OT Dalton Risner

LJ Collier was.taken yesterday

Coltsalr 04-26-2019 08:51 AM

Definitely hoping they don't go OL early.

It still feels weird saying that.

Luck4Reich 04-26-2019 08:52 AM

I like Renell Wren too

Dam8610 04-26-2019 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 117932)
LJ Collier was.taken yesterday

Wow. That's surprising. I guess the Colts are really high on Jaylon Ferguson? That's the only thing that makes sense to me at the moment.

Coltsalr 04-26-2019 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 117938)
Wow. That's surprising. I guess the Colts are really high on Jaylon Ferguson? That's the only thing that makes sense to me at the moment.

I have to assume they're higher on Turay/Lewis than we are, as well.

Also, isn't Jaylon Ferguson a character concern?

Chromeburn 04-26-2019 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 117892)
I like Hakeem Butler too

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In this range I like him more. End of 2nd to middle of 3rd preferrably. With maybe another receiver too who isn't such a developmental prospect.

Chromeburn 04-26-2019 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 117885)
Decided to get this thread started. Several really solid options still available on Day 2. Here’s a quick list:

S: Chauncey Gardner-Johnson
S: Nasir Adderley
CB: Byron Murphy
CB: Justin Layne
CB: Rock Ya-Sin
CB: Lonnie Johnson
WR: AJ Brown
EDGE: Chase Winovich
DT: Dre'mont Jones
EDGE: Jaylon Ferguson
EDGE: Oshane Ximenes
S: Taylor Rapp
WR: Riley Ridley
WR: Deebo Samuel
WR: Terry McLaurin
WR: Paris Campbell
RG/RT: Cody Ford
RT: Jawaan Taylor (knee)

Winovish, Brown, Samuel/McLaurin, Rapp (rumors about a hip injury by Gil Brandts yesterday) and one of the corners. I would be very happy.

Rennel Wren in there too

FatDT 04-26-2019 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 117921)
Good players left, but damn DL is really tapped out.

Talent in general is really tapped out. I get that the FO clearly didn't want to risk Sweat's heart condition. But the price of trading back into the 1st for a top pass rusher should've been higher.

Yes there are still some names to be interested in.

CB - Byron Murphy, Greedy Williams, Rock Ya-Sin

S - Nasir Adderly, Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, Amani Hooker, Taylor Rapp

WR - DK Metcalf, Hakeem Butler, Deebo Samuel, AJ Brown, Kelvin Harmon,
Riley Ridley, and Parris Campbell

DE - Chase Winnovich, Jachai Polite, Jaylon Ferguson,

DL - Dre'Mont Jones, Renell Wren, Charles Omenihu, Trysten Hill

OL - Jawaan Taylor, Dalton Risner, Cody Ford, Greg Little, Elgton Jenkins

Dam8610 04-26-2019 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 117939)
I have to assume they're higher on Turay/Lewis than we are, as well.

Also, isn't Jaylon Ferguson a character concern?

Ballard talked a lot this offseason about adding to the DL rotation and wanting it to be 8 deep. Even if you count Turay and Lewis as part of that rotation, I count 6 reliable DL pieces, only 2 of which are DTs, and that's if you count Autry as a full DT, and 3 of which are 30+ (Houston, Hunt, Autry, Sheard, Lewis, Turay). Adding 2 quality DL in this draft is nearly mandatory unless you want the position to be a huge problem moving forward. Yet another reason trading out with Montez Sweat sitting there gift wrapped to you doesn't make sense.

Chromeburn 04-26-2019 09:57 AM

I think Ballard wanted Simmons. Mentions him going at 19.

https://www.indystar.com/videos/spor...nd/3584463002/

After that he must have the DT's graded similarily.

ukcolt 04-26-2019 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 117944)
Ballard talked a lot this offseason about adding to the DL rotation and wanting it to be 8 deep. Even if you count Turay and Lewis as part of that rotation, I count 6 reliable DL pieces, only 2 of which are DTs, and that's if you count Autry as a full DT, and 3 of which are 30+ (Houston, Hunt, Autry, Sheard, Lewis, Turay). Adding 2 quality DL in this draft is nearly mandatory unless you want the position to be a huge problem moving forward. Yet another reason trading out with Montez Sweat sitting there gift wrapped to you doesn't make sense.

We have other guys who were playing fine for us last year....Ward, Muhammad. I am very interested in seeing Lewis develop along with the hoped for progression of Turay. I am not saying we shouldn't make further selections, but i thought Jihad Ward played really well in the limited playing time last year. In his 6 games he had 3 sacks.

We also have Grover Stewart and Hassan Ridgeway, who have both seen significant playing time, although i am less certain of their future success with the Colts.

So i would say we have 10 guys who have all seen significant playing time throughout their careers. They may not all be starters, but they are not scrubs with no experience either. They are exactly what you need for depth.

VeveJones007 04-26-2019 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 117944)
Ballard talked a lot this offseason about adding to the DL rotation and wanting it to be 8 deep. Even if you count Turay and Lewis as part of that rotation, I count 6 reliable DL pieces, only 2 of which are DTs, and that's if you count Autry as a full DT, and 3 of which are 30+ (Houston, Hunt, Autry, Sheard, Lewis, Turay). Adding 2 quality DL in this draft is nearly mandatory unless you want the position to be a huge problem moving forward. Yet another reason trading out with Montez Sweat sitting there gift wrapped to you doesn't make sense.

This is why I think they'll end up staying put at 34 and taking Ferguson, possibly Winovich. Ferguson really fits their mold of a big, strong, athletic end with good production.

VeveJones007 04-26-2019 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ukcolt (Post 117962)
We have other guys who were playing fine for us last year....Ward, Muhammad. I am very interested in seeing Lewis develop along with the hoped for progression of Turay. I am not saying we shouldn't make further selections, but i thought Jihad Ward played really well in the limited playing time last year. In his 6 games he had 3 sacks.

We also have Grover Stewart and Hassan Ridgeway, who have both seen significant playing time, although i am less certain of their future success with the Colts.

So i would say we have 10 guys who have all seen significant playing time throughout their careers. They may not all be starters, but they are not scrubs with no experience either. They are exactly what you need for depth.

Ward looked really good in those few games last year, but I'm not setting much store in Stewart and Ridgeway.

I'd be shocked if Ballard didn't come out of today with at least one more piece on the DL.

VeveJones007 04-26-2019 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 117953)
I think Ballard wanted Simmons. Mentions him going at 19.

https://www.indystar.com/videos/spor...nd/3584463002/

After that he must have the DT's graded similarily.

I think Ballard was being honest when he said they have players #16-70 ranked very close together. He was hoping that one of the top 15 would drop (most likely Simmons), but he was more than happy to move back when he couldn't get one of those players.

I think he'll be open to moving down from #34, but like last year with Leonard and Smith, I think he'll just stay put and take whichever guy they like most.

Coltsalr 04-26-2019 11:10 AM

If I had to bet, I'd go with yet another trade:

@RapSheet
There could be fireworks early tonight: If the #AZCardinals go CB at No. 33, the #Colts should be able to get a ton at No. 34 in a trade. Lot of top OLs on the board, including Jawaan Taylor, Cody Ford and Greg Little.

VeveJones007 04-26-2019 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 117939)
I have to assume they're higher on Turay/Lewis than we are, as well.

Also, isn't Jaylon Ferguson a character concern?

Not really. He was arrested when he was 18 for a fight outside a McDonald’s. Just had a $189 fine. Has been “a model citizen ever since,” but we all know that’s agent speak. However, lending credibility to that is what he’s doing now:

https://apple.news/ApSbAwfJJRXi8P0aAqoQrdA

Chaka 04-26-2019 11:13 AM

Interesting retweet by Holder

https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1121735626691362816

Basically, looking forward and as measured separately under four different "yardsticks", the Colts have positioned themselves to have more draft assets than any other team.

Of course, this analysis ignores the fact that we don't have a 1st (though it also ignores the 2nd we picked up next year).

Coltsalr 04-26-2019 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 117972)
If I had to bet, I'd go with yet another trade:

@RapSheet
There could be fireworks early tonight: If the #AZCardinals go CB at No. 33, the #Colts should be able to get a ton at No. 34 in a trade. Lot of top OLs on the board, including Jawaan Taylor, Cody Ford and Greg Little.

REALLY looking like it could be another trade:

@nfldraftscout

Couple of "What I'm Hearing" notes:

* Run on WR is expected early tonight

* Cody Ford & Jawaan Taylor expected to be in today's top 10 picks

* Byron Murphy will go early, maybe at 33 even

* Colts could trade back AGAIN and keep playing the board

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 04-26-2019 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 117971)
I think Ballard was being honest when he said they have players #16-70 ranked very close together.


That is also why I made the comment last night that I think the Colts will try to move up from Pick 89. Try to grab one more player from that bracket.

If they could make 4 selections from that group of players, it has the potential of being a very solid draft class, even if they don't have a pick in the top 30 selections.

Butter 04-26-2019 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 117976)
Interesting retweet by Holder

https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1121735626691362816

Basically, looking forward and as measured separately under four different "yardsticks", the Colts have positioned themselves to have more draft assets than any other team.

Of course, this analysis ignores the fact that we don't have a 1st (though it also ignores the 2nd we picked up next year).

It doesn't ignore it, becuase it is specifically focused on what teams have remaining in this draft.

FatDT 04-26-2019 11:40 AM

It appears the strategy is to grab as many of these next-tier players as possible. Looks like Ballard didn't get the chance to pick what he considered top-level so he's taking the volume approach. I disagree on some of the players he punted on at 26 (Sweat, Tillery) but overall I get the approach and it makes sense. Lots of possibilities for a

- WR like Deebo Samuel (seems like a tough Anquan Boldin/Golden Tate-type, I like him) to compete for WR2

- safety to compete for the starter job (not convinced any safety after Abram has enough talent to win it outright)

- DL that can add to the rotation, there are still lots of good prospects.

- OL that can challenge for a starting spot and improve depth at center

- CB that can challenge for snaps, I don't think our corner depth chart is set at all this year though I like our players.

- RB to to add another wrinkle in Reich's offense.

Maniac 04-26-2019 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 117977)
REALLY looking like it could be another trade:

@nfldraftscout

Couple of "What I'm Hearing" notes:

* Run on WR is expected early tonight

* Cody Ford & Jawaan Taylor expected to be in today's top 10 picks

* Byron Murphy will go early, maybe at 33 even

* Colts could trade back AGAIN and keep playing the board

Broncos or Bucs could be interesting possibilities to trade up and get Lock. If we traded with either of them, we wouldn't drop too far if we take their pick, plus getting whatever additional pick from them.

Coltsalr 04-26-2019 11:43 AM

Looking like Cards may go Byron Murphy:

Quote:

Apparently it’s easier to get “firm confirmation” on the second day of the draft than the first.

According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, Washington cornerback Byron Murphy “is the heavy favorite” to be the 33rd overall pick tonight, if Arizona keeps the pick.

Of course, many things can change in the next seven hours and change, and the Cardinals might be enticed to not utilize the first pick in the second round.

But if they do, adding a talented cover player would be an interesting wrinkle.

An offseason of disgruntlement (Is that a word? If it’s not it should be) from veteran Patrick Peterson has fueled trade rumors, and those won’t go away if they’re spending a premium pick on a corner.

They also signed cornerbacks Robert Alford and Tramaine Brock this offseason, creating depth in the secondary.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-pick-tonight/

VeveJones007 04-26-2019 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 117980)
That is also why I made the comment last night that I think the Colts will try to move up from Pick 89. Try to grab one more player from that bracket.

If they could make 4 selections from that group of players, it has the potential of being a very solid draft class, even if they don't have a pick in the top 30 selections.

Makes sense. Might even find a team where the Colts can move down like 8 spots in Rd2 and then swap 3rds to get #89 closer to #70.

VeveJones007 04-26-2019 11:49 AM

Colts could find upgrades at the following positions today alone:

WR 3/4
DL 3/4
EDGE 3/4
SS 1/2
CB 4

I'm pretty confident in saying that after tonight, this will be the deepest Colts roster of the last 10 years. Possibly since they've been in Indy since Polian's rosters were more top-heavy. Mind that I said "deepest" and not "best."

Luck4Reich 04-26-2019 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 117986)
Colts could find upgrades at the following positions today alone:

WR 3/4
DL 3/4
EDGE 3/4
SS 1/2
CB 4

I'm pretty confident in saying that after tonight, this will be the deepest Colts roster of the last 10 years. Possibly since they've been in Indy since Polian's rosters were more top-heavy. Mind that I said "deepest" and not "best."

I agree and depth isnt a bad thing. Also the best rosters dont always make it to the SB. We've seen that happen to the Colts.

rcubed 04-26-2019 12:27 PM

I am good with trading back from where we were. However I dont want to go nuts and keep trading back, at some point i want ballard to actually pick some good players.


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Butter 04-26-2019 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 117991)
I am good with trading back from where we were. However I dont want to go nuts and keep trading back, at some point i want ballard to actually pick some good players.


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By day 3 he will own every pick in the 7th round.


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