Quentin Nelson film review video
 

Not me, just saw it and wanted to share.

https://youtu.be/ZnU0kPldJe8

That is football porn.

Here's another play where he just destroys the DL.

https://twitter.com/DTH_Mason/status...83763805081600

Just saw this and was going to post it myself ...looks good!

I would like to see some pass protection film ...I just remember one play where he didn't win the matchup (against Geno Atkins I think).

Bengals line is no joke tho, and all the more impressive.

Still dunno if a G was worth a 6th overall, but I really thought the interior OL was stout in the first game and def not the reason for the L.

Not a big Voch Lombardi fan. But good film nonetheless. I do agree that Wilkins should have pressed the hole on the first play.

He's doing his job well based on that film (though that's just highlights), but he's still not the level of impact player that you want from a top 10 pick. In the first play of that video, Jordan Wilkins erased all of Quenton Nelson's great work by not running between Braden Smith and Joe Haeg into the endzone, as an example.

So the running back picks the wrong hole and that proves you were right that the guard who did his job is not high enough level of impact player to merit a top 10 pick. I disagree with that logic.

No, that was an example of how his impact on the game can be completely erased through no fault of his own. That the above can consistently happen in any given game is the reason that the offensive guard position is not a valuable enough position on which to spend a top ten draft pick.

I understood what you meant. I disagree. I believe you could say the same about any player at any position on the team which in my opinion negates your argument. He may not end up being worth the 6th pick (there is almost no doubt in my mind barring injury, he will be.) but it won’t be because of mistakes other players make.

You gotta forgive him. When he was a small child, his parents would drag him up the stairs of the Empire State Building by his leg, with his head banging on every step. Brain damage was unavoidable.

In general I agree that drafting guards in the top 10 is dumb.

That said, your point is stupid. The same argument can be made for taking a guard.

“If the qb can’t get the ball off then a wr is irrelevant”

“A great pass rusher is irrelevant if they can just run”

I hate to be "that guy," but is anyone else tired of the "is a guard worth the 6th pick" discussion? It's done. There's no getting that pick back. All that's left is to assess his play and the impact on the offense's performance. On Sunday's, where a player was picked (or not picked) in the draft is irrelevant.

Amen !!! :cool:

I’ve been as critical of the Nelson pick as anyone, but I’d have to say I agree. I certainly don’t believe you can use a different players mistake to knock his selection - especially when on the same play Nelson was doing his job. At the same time using a nice block or two to justify the selection is just as ridiculous and just as common place. At this point everyone should see Nelson’s talent. His selection really will come down to the quality and speed of Ballard’s rebuild. If he builds a winner in a reasonable amount of time then where he acquired each piece will largely be irrelevant. If he struggles to make the team a contender in a reasonable amount of time then Nelson’s selection will stand out to many as a prime example of poor use of resources. Time will tell. For now I’ll let Nelson be the talented rookie he is.

I see - so what you're saying is that there's really no scenario where the Nelson pick will ever be considered good. Rather, the best we can hope for at this point - one game into his NFL career - is that the details of the pick will be lost in the euphoria of a positive rebuild.

yep


it doesn't matter at this point. really the whole draft class should just be lumped in as a whole. it doesn't matter where they were picked

I’m not really looking to rehash this and it’s not exactly what I was getting at, however I suppose if you want to look at it that way I wouldn’t disagree. Honestly, I’m not sure how else to look at it. The argument hasn’t been against Nelson the player, it’s been against the value of the position and it’s relative lack of impact on the team. That’s not just armchair GMing, it’s reflected in both the typical draft position of guards and the average salary for guards in the league. So yes, IMO, since Ballard used his second most valuable commodity to draft a position the league typically devalues, team success is what will ultimately drive the analysis of the pick. At least for me.

You do realize that if Cleveland would have taken Chubb instead of James then Nelson would have went 5th to Denver So while you may disagree GMs think otherwise And if you don’t think protecting Luck and taking that worry away is not a game changer or that we may actually be able to run the ball now is a dumb argument

What sort of high level of impact can you reasonably expect from any top 10 pick in their first NFL start? And as far as this value equation, I can easily ask, did he prevent two sacks? Would one of those sacks ended Andrew Luck's season? Ah, then it must have been worth a 6th... It just doesn't make sense.

We picked him to do a job and he is doing it.

No one can judge this pick until Nelson is done playing. I'm willing to keep an open mind.

First, I realize you don’t know where Nelson would have went if the draft fell differently. Everyone lies - before and after the draft. Second, other than landing Peyton, Elway has been full of questionable decision making. Not sure he should be your go to proof that the league values guards as top 6 picks. Third, I’ll state again that the idea that drafting Nelson was the only way to fix the Oline is a stupid argument. Would a tackle not have helped at all? Luck threw 50 times because the team couldn’t run and couldn’t stop Andy Dalton. My concern for Luck hasn’t went away from the drafting of one player. So please stop with that BS.

I was actually agreeing that at this point it doesn’t matter. I’m not sure how saying the pick will be judged by Ballards ability to build a team is crazy. The #6 pick should be a building block for the team. I believe he chose the wrong block. So how can what he ultimately builds not be considered when viewing the pick? But I’m tired of the argument. You can absolve Ballard from any responsibility for it all you want. He had no other option, I get it.

It’s only one game but I’m loving this pick wherever he was taken, particularly for this team. Everyone remembers the shit show that was our line. We added a guy who is huge, strong as the freaking proverbial bull, extremely quick with incredible balance and a great football IQ. He has an attitude and the physical skills to back it up. I must have missed all those pancake blocks we made last year so seeing Nelson just drill the shit out of someone or stonewall them like a brick wall gives me fuzzies. I’m not saying he’s an all-pro now, but after one game he sure as hell hasn’t done a damn thing to make me think he can’t be one. Watching him develop (and hopefully bring the line along with him) should be one of the high points of all us freaks this year reguarless of where he was picked. Gonna be fun

If there had been an OT available that was better than Nelson then I would have been all for taking him. I actually think Nelson could probably play OT better than any of the OT's that were in the draft

I bet the Ravens would’ve liked to have Nelson. Atkins has 2 sacks in FLUKKO

Curious. If we had a player get two sacks everyone would be praising him. We have nelsonkeep Luck clean and he’s over drafted.

Imagine what that game would have looked like with Vuj at LG.

BTW. are the Bengals actually good????

Love the Nelson pick, don't give a shit how high he was drafted.

I've said before I don't like taking a guard that high. But at this point it doesn't matter. He's our LG and he looks like he'll be one of the best in the league soon. I don't see the use in retrying the case on this over and over.

Their DL is good. I think the stampede blue guy said it was likely One of the top DL's we will face this year.

Here's their writeup / film study:

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2018/9/...defensive-line

The DL isn’t much of a surprise. Dalton is though. Hard for me to believe he’ll play the rest of the season as well as he has in these first 2 games. If he does, yeah I think they are a good team. But I just can’t believe he will. Either way at least he didn’t blow up just against the Colts.

Dalton gets a bad rap. But he's thrown for over 4000 yards twice, 25+ TDs 4 times (one year it was 33 TDs), and in 2015 and 2016 threw single digit INTs. He's not Bortles. He's a good NFL QB when he's healthy and has a good coordinator.

That may be true. I definitely don’t see him as a Bortles. I’d label him serviceable. But after looking at his career stats it’s possible I underrate him some. In fairness my perception has been colored a lot by his playoff performances. That’s been just brutal.

Textbook!

If Kelly doesn't blow his block that might have given him enough room to juke the safety and result in a huge play.

He performs above average when he has supporting talent. I don't think he elevates the play of the guys around him though like a Rogers or Luck. But I agree he is certainly not Bortles, just a slightly above average QB.

I like to think he has 65% the talent of Peyton Manning.

dude has red hair...

That's a very specific number. I'd rank him in the 15-20 range of starting QB's.

I would rate Dalton top 10... 15-20 puts him at the bottom of the top and top of the bottom. I think that is selling him a bit short. The 65% of Peyton Manning comment reflects his strong regular season record relative to his post season record, except with 35% less talent than Peyton.

All bullshit of course, but that's the town I live in.

I think there are at least 12 QBs who you'd definitely rather have than Dalton:

Rodgers
Brady
Brees
Luck
Rivers
Roethlisburger
Wilson
Newton
Wentz
Ryan
Stafford
Goff

The only players I would say Dalton has a clear edge on are Bortles, Eli, and the rookies.

I’d throw Watson in there above also. Carr maybe and Jimmy G probably also

Patrick Mahomes and Alex Smith are both guys I would take over Dalton.

Mark my words, Mahomes is going to be a stud.

Yep

Soooo 15-20?

Anyway back to Nelson. I wanted Chubb, but with him gone I was resigned to it. I am happy he is doing well and seems like he will a good player. But oline is only as good as your weakest link. Still, spending high draft picks on oline May be the future of the league, especially with the seeming decline of oline play overall.