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omahacolt 09-10-2017 08:19 PM

quick thoughts on another complete beatdown and embarrassment at the hands of pagano
 
1) pagano is by far the worst coach i have ever seen for the colts. and possibly the worst coach i have ever seen. this team is constantly blown out. constantly down by double digits. constantly unprepared.

and this is with all kinds of different players and coaches. there is zero excuse and zero reason to not, at this point, look at pagano and see exactly where the blame should have sat all along. right on his weasel shoulders.


constantly blown out to start the season? what do they do all offseason? they seriously have no clue as to who should play and what to do with players. it is embarrassing at this point.

2) i said earlier this week that i knew tolzein was shitty but didn't know how shitty. well now i do. this dude made the team. what does that tell you about our gm and coaches? cut him and sign back morris. i cant believe i am actually saying that.

3) chud was terrible. run run pass punt. rinse and repeat. such an unimaginative gameplan. no help for the defense. and let me tell you i don't put much of this on chud. i am 100% sure he is doing as directed by pagano. he is terrible because he needs to have integrity and tell pags to fuck off.

4) hurry up and not challenge that td play? is there another coach in the league that would fuck that up? name one. i fucking dare you. looking at you dam. you dumb shit.

5) no way vagitch is better than haeg at lg. i don't believe it one bit. not that vagitch didn't do some good things.

6) Good was the best olineman today. other than the false start, i thought he was very solid.

7) bond is better than schwenke? is that a fact? highly questionable move

8) really can't judge the skill position offensive players much considering the position they were put in. ty can't fumble that ball though. come on dude.

9) tj green was switched from safety to corner after the 1st preseason game or some shit. and he starts? if that happens you don't have competition. you don't have a brain or ability to get talent.

10) tj green might be the worst defensive back i have ever seen. he is simply that bad. but he has a fast 40. how can he be bad? according to dam that is impossible.

11) hooker really can't start ahead of darius butler? is hooker that bad because butler isn't a safety

12) al woods had 3 or 4 plays where he rocked the olineman harder than i can remember seeing a colts dlineman rock an opposing player.

13) hankins was much better today than he was in preaseason. i like the combination of woods and hankins so far.

14) where the fuck did anderson go? he played a lot early then was on the sideline to come back in at the end. he made pretty much no plays.

15) sheard is terrible. wtf was ballard thinking. walden is a much much better player.

16) simon is a nobody. just like i thought

17) i like the ilber george. we may have something there. morrison was a nobody. bostic surprised me a couple times.

18) wtf vinnie

19) i can't wait to hear dam defend pagano.

20) marlon mack is a playmaker. leave it to pagano to negate that as much as any coach could possibly do.

omahacolt 09-10-2017 08:21 PM

oh and manusky used to be able to generate pass rush with scheme from time to time

munchichi has shown zero ability to do that.

Luck4Reich 09-10-2017 08:28 PM

Spot on with the comment that he has had various coaches and players and it always comes back to him not having the team prepared.

I might be hated for this but this team was at its best when he was out with Cancer. Too bad he didn't just retire and let Arians take over?

How does he even make himself believe he is a good coach??

Come on you mean to tell me that fucker can look at himself in the mirror and say I am an NFL coach? No way in hell can he with a straight face.

Puck 09-10-2017 08:29 PM

Glad I didn't renew my tickets this yr

SUCK FOR CHUCK!!!!!

Puck 09-10-2017 08:34 PM

On Football Night in America. They asked how do the colts turn this around and Rodney said they need him. Pointing at Dungy

Luck4Reich 09-10-2017 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 25954)
On Football Night in America. They asked how do the colts turn this around and Rodney said they need him. Pointing at Dungy

True.... but Rodney could have pointed to a camera guy and even that would be an upgrade over Pagano.

nate505 09-10-2017 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 25935)
4) hurry up and not challenge that td play? is there another coach in the league that would fuck that up? name one. i fucking dare you. looking at you dam. you dumb shit.

I know I've harped on this one a ton, but I still can't believe that happened. It's like the idea of when a questionable call may go against you in replay happens and you go to snap the play quickly was reversed in his head.

I mean, I would get it if he was my 3 year old son I was trying to explain the concept to, but holy fuck, he's a grown man who's been in the game all his life and is getting paid millions to know this stuff.

apballin 09-10-2017 08:56 PM

Total shit show, but in Grigs 1st year of rebuild we got blown out by the bears

We've seen this show before I'm telling you guys

GoBigBlue88 09-10-2017 08:56 PM

I'm just sick of the hypocrisy and bullshit going on with this franchise all the time. If you're gonna be a bad team that waits for Luck to be 110% and lives with a bad season ... fine. But own it to some capacity. Don't...

1. Preach competition, and then give Scott Tolzien the QB1 gig when he's beat out and clearly sucks.

2. Let a scrub like TJ Green keep you from blooding your second round freaking draft pick, who needs playing time.

3. Say any of that bullshit about not needing Kaepernick, and stick with it after Tolzien almost throws 3 pick-sixes.

4. Do all this arbitrary shit like fielding a random OL that didn't result from any of the competition you actually had, but is just another random attempt to put bodies together.


I mean, if you're going to have a tank season, freaking learn something from it. Get reps to the guys who need reps going forward. Not Green. Not Tolzien. Not only playing your top 15 draft pick when you're down 20+.

Butter 09-10-2017 08:57 PM

I wonder if he has brain cancer now.

apballin 09-10-2017 09:04 PM

Couldn't agree with Omaha more on Hooker, if your drafted there you must be an impact player not a backup to a true CB

DrSpaceman 09-10-2017 09:04 PM

I think the TJ Green decision is worse than even the one about Tolzien and the QBs.

At least with the QBs, you have some inexperienced guys who might be good and an experienced guy who sucks. You can at least make an argument, even though it was wrong

With Green, he was a safety who couldn't cover anyone, so I have a great idea......lets move him to corner!!! What kind of dumbass logic is that? On that TD Kupp scored he literally just ran downfield right inside of him and past him. Nothing else. Could not have been easier. Might as well have not even been on the field.

Just such a continual coaching shit show. Unprepared. bad decisions all around, in choosing starters and gameplanning and play calling......you name it, they can't do it.

There is no reason for Pagano to continue with this team. Completely clueless.

DrSpaceman 09-10-2017 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 25974)
Couldn't agree with Omaha more on Hooker, if your drafted there you must be an impact player not a backup to a true CB

Hooker and Wilson both, put them out there. Christ could not be worse than what they are playing now

I know Wilson had the one long completion on him in the 4th quarter and he has had some other plays made on him, he has to improve, but the one consistent thing with him is he is in position and right with the WR. He isn't blown by them. He needs to learn how to complete the play. He does that by getting playing time. Put him out there.

Gimmick 09-10-2017 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoLuck4Chuck (Post 25956)
True.... but Rodney could have pointed to a camera guy and even that would be an upgrade over Pagano.

People who know football always seem to know what the Colts need or are missing.

Irsay doesn't know football anymore though. All he knows are drugs, booze, and hippy music tunes.

Luck4Reich 09-10-2017 09:10 PM

http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/atta...1&d=1505092160

Brylok 09-10-2017 09:18 PM

Almost a complete shit-show. A disgrace. Brisket's long pass was nice. That's about it. The new punter is okay.

Puck 09-10-2017 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 25975)
I think the TJ Green decision is worse than even the one about Tolzien and the QBs.

At least with the QBs, you have some inexperienced guys who might be good and an experienced guy who sucks. You can at least make an argument, even though it was wrong

With Green, he was a safety who couldn't cover anyone, so I have a great idea......lets move him to corner!!! What kind of dumbass logic is that? On that TD Kupp scored he literally just ran downfield right inside of him and past him. Nothing else. Could not have been easier. Might as well have not even been on the field.

Just such a continual coaching shit show. Unprepared. bad decisions all around, in choosing starters and gameplanning and play calling......you name it, they can't do it.

There is no reason for Pagano to continue with this team. Completely clueless.

Ballard said they wanted Green in KC as a corner. May have been his call to try him there

omahacolt 09-10-2017 09:28 PM

Did we throw a true slant today? A bubble screen? Anything actually creative to move the ball?

apballin 09-10-2017 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 26012)
Did we throw a true slant today? A bubble screen? Anything actually creative to move the ball?

When he tried quick throws they were a pick 6

Puck 09-10-2017 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 26012)
Did we throw a true slant today? A bubble screen? Anything actually creative to move the ball?


Screen to Mack. Where he gained a lot About it... the rest of the time it was a 30 yd pass on 3-1 or 3-6

omahacolt 09-10-2017 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 26014)
When he tried quick throws they were a pick 6

Those were outs with his pissface of an arm

YDFL Commish 09-10-2017 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 26012)
Did we throw a true slant today? A bubble screen? Anything actually creative to move the ball?

Do we ever? I mean Chud does nothing to help his QB out. I get that Tolzien sucks, but it's Chuds job, to create situations where he will suck less.

Indiana V2 09-10-2017 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 25935)
1) pagano is by far the worst coach i have ever seen for the colts. and possibly the worst coach i have ever seen. this team is constantly blown out. constantly down by double digits. constantly unprepared.

and this is with all kinds of different players and coaches. there is zero excuse and zero reason to not, at this point, look at pagano and see exactly where the blame should have sat all along. right on his weasel shoulders.


constantly blown out to start the season? what do they do all offseason? they seriously have no clue as to who should play and what to do with players. it is embarrassing at this point.

2) i said earlier this week that i knew tolzein was shitty but didn't know how shitty. well now i do. this dude made the team. what does that tell you about our gm and coaches? cut him and sign back morris. i cant believe i am actually saying that.

3) chud was terrible. run run pass punt. rinse and repeat. such an unimaginative gameplan. no help for the defense. and let me tell you i don't put much of this on chud. i am 100% sure he is doing as directed by pagano. he is terrible because he needs to have integrity and tell pags to fuck off.

4) hurry up and not challenge that td play? is there another coach in the league that would fuck that up? name one. i fucking dare you. looking at you dam. you dumb shit.

5) no way vagitch is better than haeg at lg. i don't believe it one bit. not that vagitch didn't do some good things.

6) Good was the best olineman today. other than the false start, i thought he was very solid.

7) bond is better than schwenke? is that a fact? highly questionable move

8) really can't judge the skill position offensive players much considering the position they were put in. ty can't fumble that ball though. come on dude.

9) tj green was switched from safety to corner after the 1st preseason game or some shit. and he starts? if that happens you don't have competition. you don't have a brain or ability to get talent.

10) tj green might be the worst defensive back i have ever seen. he is simply that bad. but he has a fast 40. how can he be bad? according to dam that is impossible.

11) hooker really can't start ahead of darius butler? is hooker that bad because butler isn't a safety

12) al woods had 3 or 4 plays where he rocked the olineman harder than i can remember seeing a colts dlineman rock an opposing player.

13) hankins was much better today than he was in preaseason. i like the combination of woods and hankins so far.

14) where the fuck did anderson go? he played a lot early then was on the sideline to come back in at the end. he made pretty much no plays.

15) sheard is terrible. wtf was ballard thinking. walden is a much much better player.

16) simon is a nobody. just like i thought

17) i like the ilber george. we may have something there. morrison was a nobody. bostic surprised me a couple times.

18) wtf vinnie

19) i can't wait to hear dam defend pagano.

20) marlon mack is a playmaker. leave it to pagano to negate that as much as any coach could possibly do.

May be your best work yet, omaha.

Brylok 09-10-2017 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 26024)
Do we ever? I mean Chud does nothing to help his QB out. I get that Tolzien sucks, but it's Chuds job, to create situations where he will suck less.

I don't like any of the coaching staff. Chud is predictable and less than vanilla somehow, and omaha says it's because of Pagano and maybe it is, I don't know. But it's not anywhere near good enough. Monachino hasn't shown much of anything. Manusky was better, believe it or not, but Chuck threw him under the bus. ST seems fundamentally okay but players do bone headed shit pretty regularly so maybe not. OL has been mostly garbage, so who knows? Howard Mudd clearly isn't running that anymore. No clue who the DBs coach is but that whole unit relies on Vontae anyway. Strength and conditioning doesn't exist apparently. I'd be fine with firing the whole lot whenever Irsay sobers up to do so.

Hoopsdoc 09-10-2017 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 25966)
I'm just sick of the hypocrisy and bullshit going on with this franchise all the time. If you're gonna be a bad team that waits for Luck to be 110% and lives with a bad season ... fine. But own it to some capacity. Don't...

1. Preach competition, and then give Scott Tolzien the QB1 gig when he's beat out and clearly sucks.

2. Let a scrub like TJ Green keep you from blooding your second round freaking draft pick, who needs playing time.

3. Say any of that bullshit about not needing Kaepernick, and stick with it after Tolzien almost throws 3 pick-sixes.

4. Do all this arbitrary shit like fielding a random OL that didn't result from any of the competition you actually had, but is just another random attempt to put bodies together.


I mean, if you're going to have a tank season, freaking learn something from it. Get reps to the guys who need reps going forward. Not Green. Not Tolzien. Not only playing your top 15 draft pick when you're down 20+.

I was with you until Kapernick. Morris and Brisset are both better than Kap. He would be awful on this team.

Hoopsdoc 09-10-2017 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nate505 (Post 25962)
I know I've harped on this one a ton, but I still can't believe that happened. It's like the idea of when a questionable call may go against you in replay happens and you go to snap the play quickly was reversed in his head.

I mean, I would get it if he was my 3 year old son I was trying to explain the concept to, but holy fuck, he's a grown man who's been in the game all his life and is getting paid millions to know this stuff.

That was worse than the infamous fake punt against NE. I just couldn't believe my eyes. I thought why on EARTH would they do that?

Then I remembered-oh right, Pagano is still the coach.

Brylok 09-10-2017 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 26038)
That was worse than the infamous fake punt against NE. I just couldn't believe my eyes. I thought why on EARTH would they do that?

Then I remembered-oh right, Pagano is still the coach.

Not worse than the punt play against NE. That's a strong contender for the worst play in NFL history. Not only was it retarded, it changed the course of the game.

bertjones 09-10-2017 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 26016)
Screen to Mack. Where he gained a lot About it... the rest of the time it was a 30 yd pass on 3-1 or 3-6

Aye, the pass in the flat to Mack which was a TD if only Pagano had challenged. And you had the feeling they could have done that a lot,
but they did it only that one time. BB would have done that time and time again until they showed they could stop it. But it is what it is.

ChoppedWood 09-10-2017 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 25966)
I'm just sick of the hypocrisy and bullshit going on with this franchise all the time. If you're gonna be a bad team that waits for Luck to be 110% and lives with a bad season ... fine. But own it to some capacity. Don't...

1. Preach competition, and then give Scott Tolzien the QB1 gig when he's beat out and clearly sucks.

2. Let a scrub like TJ Green keep you from blooding your second round freaking draft pick, who needs playing time.

3. Say any of that bullshit about not needing Kaepernick, and stick with it after Tolzien almost throws 3 pick-sixes.

4. Do all this arbitrary shit like fielding a random OL that didn't result from any of the competition you actually had, but is just another random attempt to put bodies together.


I mean, if you're going to have a tank season, freaking learn something from it. Get reps to the guys who need reps going forward. Not Green. Not Tolzien. Not only playing your top 15 draft pick when you're down 20+.

Can you add a "THANKS X 10,000" button????

VeveJones007 09-11-2017 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 26037)
I was with you until Kapernick. Morris and Brisset are both better than Kap. He would be awful on this team.

GTFOH With this craziness.

Maniac 09-11-2017 03:06 AM

I just hope they make a decent hire for the next coach and put a good staff in place for once. I'm tired of this bullshit.

ukcolt 09-11-2017 05:35 AM

Who are they going to be able to get at this time of the season who will be able to bring with him quality assistants?

We need to make a change, and should have done so already, but i am not sure that bringing new guys in now, who would not be the No. 1 option at the end of this year is a good idea either.

ukcolt 09-11-2017 05:47 AM

Although it was incredibly hard to watch the game yesterday, there were a few promising signs.....

Mack looked as advertised, he brings an excitement and injection of flare to the backfield that we haven't had.....possibly since Marshall Faulk.

Good looked to be holding his own at right tackle and was easily the best offensive lineman of the night.

Jack Doyle made a couple of nice grabs early on, but then was hardly looked at again.

Woods and Hankins look very stout against the run.

The George kid showed up a few times, not sure that he is all that great, but at least he did make a couple of nice plays, which is more than could be said for most of the defense.

Margus Hunt, had a nice play for the sack, he is a big dude, and could hopefully be a very nice addition to the defensive line.

I thought that John Simon was ok, but nothing other than distinctly average.

A positive in that they saw some real live snaps, Hairston, Wilson and Hooker, not saying that they did much of note, but the more game time they get the more they are going to come along.

Sanchez, made some nice punts, but could also have been the reason for the missed kicks from Vinny, although that might be being harsh on Sanchez, those kicks should have been made regardless.

Luke Rhodes.....only mentioning him as he didn't appear to botch any of the snaps, so a positive grade.

I could go onto the bad, but what is the point, we all saw that as plain as day. I am trying not to remember them all!!

dwilli57 09-11-2017 07:30 AM

I'm really anxious to see what Ballard does with this shitshow. This is his true test.

Indiana V2 09-11-2017 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ukcolt (Post 26076)
Who are they going to be able to get at this time of the season who will be able to bring with him quality assistants?

We need to make a change, and should have done so already, but i am not sure that bringing new guys in now, who would not be the No. 1 option at the end of this year is a good idea either.

You can't bring in a whole new staff right now, but you cut the head off the snake, and it gives fans hope for the future. As long as idiot coach is on the sidelines the angst and disgust is only going to get worse.

nate505 09-11-2017 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indiana V2 (Post 26101)
You can't bring in a whole new staff right now, but you cut the head off the snake, and it gives fans hope for the future. As long as idiot coach is on the sidelines the angst and disgust is only going to get worse.

Absolutely. At this point I'd be happy to give it to some unknown quantity on the staff. If the guy is great, fine, he's in the running next year. If he isn't, which is the overwhelming probability, fine, a new staff is hired next year. Either way an unknown assistant WR coach or whatever can't be any worse than the HC now.

DrSpaceman 09-11-2017 09:19 AM

At this point you might as well put Mack, Hooker and Wilson out there as much as you can, let them learn by playing. If they make mistakes, can't be worse than what we saw yesterday. IF Gore wants to be traded or whatever, fine.

The one positive was the team looked much improved against the run. If you get Davis back and Hooker and Wilson develop into legitimate starters, the team will at least have a chance once Luck is back.

And if Luck is not ready you cannot put Tolzien back in as a start, move on.

1965southpaw 09-11-2017 10:50 AM

I'm a glass half full kind of person and this team is making that really tough.....the only silver lining I can pull out of the trash we saw yesterday is that can now be NO Doubt that it's time to move on to a new coaching regime. This morning was the first time that I heard the national media acknowledge that coaching was The issue. To date they largely did the lazy analysis and attribute the fortunes of the Colts to be due to the absence of Luck. I suppose if yesterday can make that inevitable change more quickly that is a positive outcome. It's just such a shame and waste of a season. Yesterday was a battle of the tallest midget and sadly we came up short.

Maniac 09-11-2017 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ukcolt (Post 26076)
Who are they going to be able to get at this time of the season who will be able to bring with him quality assistants?

We need to make a change, and should have done so already, but i am not sure that bringing new guys in now, who would not be the No. 1 option at the end of this year is a good idea either.

You don't make a new hire in-season, but you can fire a moron coach in-season. You just let one of the assistant coaches take over as interim. They have several who have been head coaches previously on staff. They can fill in. Pagano needs to be gone though. It sucks that it has even come to this. They should have fired that fucking moron in the offseason. I don't care about the argument that was made about "new systems" with Luck injured. Pagano gone = better for the future.

GoBigBlue88 09-11-2017 11:40 AM

I'm not too worried about Ballard. His track record speaks for itself. He can find talent. He gets how to build teams.

I'm worried about Irsay doing dumb shit, though, like forcing Pagano on Ballard (it should have been Toub from day one), shutting down any Kaepernick pursuits or just having ill-conceived notions from on high without a Polian around to check him.

This team really does need someone who functions to take football decisions out of Irsay's hands entirely.


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