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JAFF 04-06-2023 09:22 PM

Insider: Which quarterback are the Colts drafting?
 
https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...g/70065741007/

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PHOENIX — For all intents and purposes, there is only one question that matters in Indianapolis this spring.

The question everybody’s asking. When team owner Jim Irsay is out in the community. When general manager Chris Ballard meets with the media. When new head coach Shane Steichen ran into other coaches at the owner’s meetings in Arizona last week.

Who are the Colts taking at No. 4?

“I think it’s funny,” Steichen said. “People go, ‘Hey, who you guys drafting?’ It’s like, ‘We’ll see on draft day. I’ll know two minutes before the pick.’ Unless you’re the No. 1 overall pick, you don’t know who you’re taking.”


The Colts passed on that chance.

A chance Carolina seized. When the quarterback-needy Panthers traded into the No. 1 pick, they all but ensured at least two quarterbacks will be off the board by the time Indianapolis makes its selection, a reality the Colts knew might happen.

Ballard wasn’t ready to make that kind of move. The Colts wanted to go through the interview process with each of the quarterbacks, and Ballard believes this class is deep enough to still produce a potential franchise quarterback outside of the top two picks.


But the stakes are clear.

“If you don’t feel like you have one that can absolutely change the franchise, in terms of leading you every year, I think you’re always going to feel some pressure to get that guy,” Ballard said. “Now, whether we need to take one at four ... if the right one’s there for us, that we feel good about it, then we’ll do it.”


The Colts know they have to get this decision right.

“Once you make this choice, there’s not going to be any exit ramps for a while,” Irsay said. “You’d hate to be going 65 miles an hour in the wrong direction.”


There are five quarterback options in the draft

By now, the options the Colts have at the top of the draft are clear.


Four quarterbacks — Alabama’s Bryce Young, Ohio State’s C.J. Stroud, Florida’s Anthony Richardson and Kentucky’s Will Levis — are considered potential top-10 selections. A fifth, Tennessee’s Hendon Hooker, has reportedly impressed teams in the predraft process despite the fact that he’s coming off a torn ACL suffered in late November.

When Irsay talked about the options in Arizona last week, the Colts owner mentioned “five guys” the team could debate taking early in the draft.

“I think it depends on each team: What kind of quarterback do they want?” Irsay said. “Do they want a mobile guy? Are you willing to take a chance on a guy who’s maybe undersized, but has proven he has incredible vision and playmaking ability? Do you want more of a pocket quarterback with a strong arm? Do you think there is someone lurking later in the draft, maybe first round or second round, that you can maybe get?"

A team’s offensive philosophy typically dictates the kind of quarterback it wants. But Steichen has repeatedly said he has no prototype; that it’s a mistake to assume that the run-heavy offense he directed in Philadelphia is the offense he’ll run in Indianapolis.


A lot of coaches say they build their system around the quarterback.

Steichen has proven it.

In his time as an assistant, he’s built offenses for Philip Rivers, Justin Herbert and Jalen Hurts, three quarterbacks with distinctly different playing styles.

“Quarterbacks come in all shapes and sizes, and have different athletic abilities, whether it’s running or throwing,” Steichen said. “Is it an added bonus when they can run? Yeah, but it’s not the end-all, be-all, where it’s like: ‘I need a guy who can run.’”

The new head coach’s flexibility makes life easier on the front office.

Ballard’s scouting staff can evaluate each quarterback on their abilities, rather than on the box the offense needs them to fill.

“You go from Rivers to Herbert to Jalen, all three different skill sets, and he’s used each one of them in a different way,” Ballard said, “which does open up all the quarterbacks to you.”


For the Colts, the mobility debate is almost moot at this point.

All five of the draft’s top quarterbacks have shown some type of mobility, either as a runner or buying time in the pocket, and with less than a month left to go before the draft, most draft analysts and NFL reporters expect Stroud and Young to go to the Panthers and Houston Texans, respectively.

Those two quarterbacks picked up the fewest yards with their legs in college.

If the experts are right, the three quarterbacks left available to the Colts will all be dual threats to some degree.

And that fits the desires of Ballard and Irsay perfectly. While he was talking about the NFL’s shift toward mobile quarterbacks at the owner’s meetings, Irsay brought up his team’s loss to the Eagles last season, saying Steichen’s Philadelphia offense had an enormous advantage on the game-winning drive because they had “four downs and 12 players on offense,” because of Hurts’ running ability.


Ballard agrees with his boss.

“I’ve always believed that when you have an athlete that can move, it puts more pressure on a defense,” Ballard said. “The ability to create a play when a play’s not there with your feet is vital. I don’t think my thinking on that has ever changed. Eventually, defenses are so good, (mobile quarterbacks are) going to have to be able to complete passes from the pocket.”

The trait Steichen is trying to find is a little harder to identify, at least for the people who can’t see how a quarterback prepares behind the scenes.

Steichen keeps saying it.

The quality that links Rivers, Herbert and Hurts is an obsessive pursuit of their craft, a desire to get better that the game’s best quarterbacks all share.

“Do they love it? Do they love the process?” Steichen said. “Do they have the skill set, first and foremost, and then, can you take it to another level with those guys? … I truly believe that the guys who put in the time and the work and the effort, it’s going to pay off at some point.”


That kind of obsessiveness is the trait the Colts are trying to identify over the rest of this month.

The month leading up to this monumental choice.

Why the Colts didn't trade for the No. 1 pick

Indianapolis stayed out of the race for the No. 1 pick because of this final month.

The chance to get to know these guys, beyond the traits the Colts can see on tape.

“There’s a difference between studying the tape, which is the most important part of it, and then spending actual time with them,” Ballard said.

Unlike the Panthers, who have taken an enormous traveling party to each of the top four quarterbacks' pro days over the course of the past two weeks, Indianapolis has largely stayed away from the prospect showcases, preferring to do their work in private, either in top-30 visits or private visits on the road.


Ballard and Steichen haven’t been spotted at any of them.

The reason is simple.

By virtue of holding the No. 1 pick, Carolina can get almost unrestricted access to each quarterback at each pro day.

Indianapolis wants more control over the visit.

By meeting with prospects behind the scenes, Steichen can be in control, designing the visit to get exactly the answers he needs, rather than watching a throwing program put together by the quarterback’s handlers.

“You’ve got to have the right questions,” Steichen said. “You’ve got to have the visit set up exactly how you want it to get these questions answered.”

Do the Colts already know who they're taking?

At least one reporter tried to call the Colts’ bluff at the NFL owner’s meetings last week.


Halfway through Steichen’s interview availability, he was asked if he’d already found the quarterback he wanted to draft.

“No,” Steichen said with a laugh. “Not yet.”

A lot of people aren’t going to believe that answer. For one, Ballard and his scouting staff have now spent two years evaluating this class, and for another point, this is the time of year when NFL teams do whatever they have to do to keep their intentions a secret.

If the Colts have a target in mind, they’re not going to let it slip in the next month.

“Everyone assumes on a big decision that they know, they’re not telling us,” Irsay said. “But more times than not, you don’t know. You’re still doing the research.”

Ballard’s gone a step further.

The Indianapolis general manager spent part of his time in Arizona saying the Colts need to look into the possibility of signing franchise-tagged Ravens free agent Lamar Jackson — a possibility Irsay downplayed later that same day — and suggesting the Colts might take a quarterback at a pick other than No. 4.


“Everybody talks about the top four, but there’s more guys out there who are pretty good players, and I think history’s shown here, especially the last few years, with (second-round pick) Jalen being good, Brock Purdy (a seventh-rounder) coming in and playing pretty well, they come at every level,” Ballard said. “We’ll do our work on every one of them, and we’ll try to get one that we like, that fits us.”

But it’s clear the Colts, and particularly Irsay, wants a rookie quarterback to draft and develop.

Irsay has long wanted to draft a quarterback to develop, a desire he says he’s wanted to fulfill ever since Rivers retired, and the team’s owner sees the No. 4 pick as a rare opportunity to land that player.

“It’s not impossible to move up to No. 3, if for some reason you thought you needed to, or to trade down and get someone you think you can (still) get,” Irsay said. “But it seems like there’s going to be a great prospect there.”

An answer to the question that has plagued the Colts ever since the shocking retirement of Andrew Luck.

The only question that matters.

“We’re looking for the future guy,” Irsay said. “The guy who can be there for the next 10 years.”

The Colts hope they answer that question at the end of this month.


Dam8610 04-06-2023 10:07 PM

Sounds like they're overthinking it.

CletusPyle 04-07-2023 08:30 AM

The reason Stroud and Young picked up the fewest yards with their legs is because they had the best OL protection, unlike Levis who didn't have that luxury and was constantly under pressure. I still think the Colts decided that neither Young or Stroud were surefire enough to give up next years #1, and they believe that either Levis or Richardson can develop into their guy in a couple of years.

It's very likely Minshew is our starter for most of next season and we have another top 5 pick! I bet Marvin Harrison Jr. is our target next season.

Dam8610 04-07-2023 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 263231)
The reason Stroud and Young picked up the fewest yards with their legs is because they had the best OL protection, unlike Levis who didn't have that luxury and was constantly under pressure. I still think the Colts decided that neither Young or Stroud were surefire enough to give up next years #1, and they believe that either Levis or Richardson can develop into their guy in a couple of years.

It's very likely Minshew is our starter for most of next season and we have another top 5 pick! I bet Marvin Harrison Jr. is our target next season.

The reason Stroud and Young picked up the fewest yards with their legs is because they both have deadly accurate arms, something Levis and Richardson both lack.

CletusPyle 04-07-2023 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 263233)
The reason Stroud and Young picked up the fewest yards with their legs is because they both have deadly accurate arms, something Levis and Richardson both lack.

It's easier to be accurate when you aren't running for your life!:D

ChaosTheory 04-07-2023 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 263234)
It's easier to be accurate when you aren't running for your life!:D

Levis and Richardson weren't running for their lives when they were throwing against air at their pro days.

CletusPyle 04-07-2023 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 263235)
Levis and Richardson weren't running for their lives when they were throwing against air at their pro days.

In 2022 Levis completed 65.4% which was 26th nationally, Stroud was 20th nationally with 66.3%, and Young was 37th 64.5%. Considering how much better Alabama and OhioState's OL are, I don't see a real accuracy concern unless you are equally concerned ab out the other two!

Brylok 04-07-2023 10:35 AM

Levis. Always were.

Lov2fish 04-07-2023 11:24 AM

Put Levis behind the Bama and OSU line with the same receivers and all the teams would be tripping over their dicks to get the #1 pick.

JAFF 04-07-2023 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 263225)
Sounds like they're overthinking it.

Yeah, like you havent been doing that. :rolleyes:

Dam8610 04-07-2023 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 263234)
It's easier to be accurate when you aren't running for your life!:D

Both did constantly though. Watch almost any game of Stroud and specifically the Texas or Tennessee game for Young.

Dam8610 04-07-2023 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 263246)
Put Levis behind the Bama and OSU line with the same receivers and all the teams would be tripping over their dicks to get the #1 pick.

Not if you're a team that values accuracy from a QB.

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 263260)
Yeah, like you havent been doing that. :rolleyes:

I'm not making the decision. If I were, the Colts would've had the #1 pick over a month ago and CJ Stroud's contract would be ready for him to sign. That's the opposite of the indecisiveness I'm pointing out in the front office's words and actions.

Lov2fish 04-07-2023 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 263264)
Not if you're a team that values accuracy from a QB.



I'm not making the decision. If I were, the Colts would've had the #1 pick over a month ago and CJ Stroud's contract would be ready for him to sign. That's the opposite of the indecisiveness I'm pointing out in the front office's words and actions.

Every time you type you are just proving what everyone already knows. You are just not very good at this. For as long as I have seen you around this board there is one constant. Your can't miss picks routinely, MISS........

Dam8610 04-07-2023 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 263268)
Every time you type you are just proving what everyone already knows. You are just not very good at this. For as long as I have seen you around this board there is one constant. Your can't miss picks routinely, MISS........

There are quite a few that don't. Selectivity bias affects everyone, though.

Lov2fish 04-08-2023 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 263275)
There are quite a few that don't. Selectivity bias affects everyone, though.


Facts are not selective bias. Stick to X's & O's You get fixated on a player and all common sense gets tossed aside.

Dam8610 04-08-2023 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 263286)
Facts are not selective bias. Stick to X's & O's You get fixated on a player and all common sense gets tossed aside.

I don't know, I think the Colts would've done well drafting Aaron Donald, Jeffrey Simmons, D.K. Metcalf, Montez Sweat, etc. They certainly would've done better keeping Peyton Manning, trading the #1 pick for a king's ransom, and drafting Russell Wilson. Those are a few examples of hits I can recall off the top of my head.

Oldcolt 04-08-2023 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 263290)
I don't know, I think the Colts would've done well drafting Aaron Donald, Jeffrey Simmons, D.K. Metcalf, Montez Sweat, etc. They certainly would've done better keeping Peyton Manning, trading the #1 pick for a king's ransom, and drafting Russell Wilson. Those are a few examples of hits I can recall off the top of my head.

The writings of an insufferable one. My son was this kind of know it all when he was 7, I sincerely disliked that kid (he is 33 and denies ever being like that now). Let it go, we all get lucky.

njcoltfan 04-09-2023 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 263290)
I don't know, I think the Colts would've done well drafting Aaron Donald, Jeffrey Simmons, D.K. Metcalf, Montez Sweat, etc. They certainly would've done better keeping Peyton Manning, trading the #1 pick for a king's ransom, and drafting Russell Wilson. Those are a few examples of hits I can recall off the top of my head.

Thats assuming the Colts would have built their roster for Wilson the same way that Seattle did. You can't say that Wilson would have had the same success with the Colts as he did with the Seahawks, you just can't !!

JAFF 04-09-2023 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 263301)
Thats assuming the Colts would have built their roster for Wilson the same way that Seattle did. You can't say that Wilson would have had the same success with the Colts as he did with the Seahawks, you just can't !!

You can if you can manipulate the multiverse. See, we need to fire ballard and hire doctor strange

apballin 04-09-2023 10:57 AM

I’m going with Levis

He looks like Pat mcafees brother

And switch the first two letters in his name is Elvis

Irsay can’t resist that

BCN#1 04-09-2023 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 263307)
I’m going with Levis

He looks like Pat mcafees brother

And switch the first two letters in his name is Elvis

Irsay can’t resist that

I would not bitch but imma thinkin its Richardson... The again, like previously stated; who does not like to having a low cost Hooker on the team? :D

Dam8610 04-09-2023 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 263297)
The writings of an insufferable one. My son was this kind of know it all when he was 7, I sincerely disliked that kid (he is 33 and denies ever being like that now). Let it go, we all get lucky.

So wait, anything I get right is luck, but if I get it wrong, that's not luck? Sounds like selectivity bias to me.

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 263301)
Thats assuming the Colts would have built their roster for Wilson the same way that Seattle did. You can't say that Wilson would have had the same success with the Colts as he did with the Seahawks, you just can't !!

Having 4 extra first round picks would've helped, but Grigson likely would've squandered it anyway.

nate505 04-10-2023 02:38 AM

I know many mock drafts are dumb, but this one takes take cake. It has the Colts trading the 4th for the 11th and the 42nd (or near there) picks from the Titans.

https://news.google.com/articles/CBM...S&ceid=US%3Aen

Dam8610 04-10-2023 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by nate505 (Post 263329)
I know many mock drafts are dumb, but this one takes take cake. It has the Colts trading the 4th for the 11th and the 42nd (or near there) picks from the Titans.

https://news.google.com/articles/CBM...S&ceid=US%3Aen

Why not? Go all-in on the Caleb Williams strategy.

Chromeburn 04-10-2023 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 263237)
In 2022 Levis completed 65.4% which was 26th nationally, Stroud was 20th nationally with 66.3%, and Young was 37th 64.5%. Considering how much better Alabama and OhioState's OL are, I don't see a real accuracy concern unless you are equally concerned ab out the other two!

Levis' biggest concern IMO is a lack of touch. Everything comes out as a fastball. Comes from his footwork. He was working with a good QB guru in the offseason and did show some improvement on his pro day especially throwing to his left.

I think some of the Wentz comparisons come from that pigeon toe throwing and lack of touch (also bc he is white and a similar size and he runs). Wentz couldn't fix his issue, Allen did, does he have the work ethic to do it?

He was also hurt last season including a turf toe which kills your mobility and your throwing depending on the leg.

ChaosTheory 04-10-2023 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 263348)
Levis' biggest concern IMO is a lack of touch. Everything comes out as a fastball. Comes from his footwork. He was working with a good QB guru in the offseason and did show some improvement on his pro day especially throwing to his left.

I think some of the Wentz comparisons come from that pigeon toe throwing and lack of touch (also bc he is white and a similar size and he runs). Wentz couldn't fix his issue, Allen did, does he have the work ethic to do it?

He was also hurt last season including a turf toe which kills your mobility and your throwing depending on the leg.

I listened to the Panthers' QB coach do a film study on Levis (in the other thread if you haven't seen it). He says a lot of this ^^. His arm is very impressive and he can make throws with little wind-up when pressure is in his face. He also processes his reads fine but is able to, for example in the video, skip the open underneath out route and instead fire from the opposite hash to the numbers on a 10-yard hitch for a good gain.

However, he mentions that it's one of the biggest concerns about him as well. Because of the strength and talent, he makes some bad decisions as well as missing some throws even without pressure. As McCown says, you have to find out if he has a governor on this Ferrari or are you going to be one of those guys that's always going to fire a cannon.

For me, the Wentz comparison is about the mechanics and inconsistent accuracy + the toughness + the really strong arm that can lead to both awesome plays and bad decisions. It's like that awesome throw Wentz made against Arizona right before he was clobbered... that's great. But it also came in a package deal that included all the other shit he did that drove us nuts.

Depending on if he takes to coaching, Levis gives me the same worries.

YDFL Commish 04-10-2023 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 263352)
Depending on if he takes to coaching, Levis gives me the same worries.

This is the most important thing, as Wentz has proven to be uncoachable. If Levis is open to coaching and willing to do whatever it takes to be the best, then he is light years ahead of Wentz, who thought that god was his QB coach.

Oldcolt 04-10-2023 03:49 PM

Richardson improved a great deal as the year went on. He seems like a bright young man who has had some incredibly rough times in his young life. Nobody can say a bad thing about the man (not the same can be said for Levis). I think it sounds like he is coachable. I'm hoping we throw the dice and take a chance with this kid.

JAFF 04-10-2023 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 263338)
Why not? Go all-in on the Caleb Williams strategy.

WHY would you help a team in your conference? WTF

You = bag of hammers

CletusPyle 04-11-2023 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 263360)
Richardson improved a great deal as the year went on. He seems like a bright young man who has had some incredibly rough times in his young life. Nobody can say a bad thing about the man (not the same can be said for Levis). I think it sounds like he is coachable. I'm hoping we throw the dice and take a chance with this kid.

Most of the bad I hear said about Levis is some find his brash personality offputting....seriously, some of the best QBs to ever play were somewhat brash and hit some people the wrong way. I think he is just trying to project confidence and may be overdoing a bit.

There are also some sports media writers that just don't like alpha males, because they aren't one!

Discflinger 04-11-2023 10:58 AM

I know that’s why I don’t like him and this is so spot on.

Lov2fish 04-11-2023 11:24 AM

Wait until Dam finds out Levis has a higher completion percentage than Stroud when under pressure. Just say'n, no reason..........lol....

YDFL Commish 04-11-2023 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 263404)
Most of the bad I hear said about Levis is some find his brash personality offputting....seriously, some of the best QBs to ever play were somewhat brash and hit some people the wrong way. I think he is just trying to project confidence and may be overdoing a bit.

There are also some sports media writers that just don't like alpha males, because they aren't one!

Manning was brash as well, when he told Polian that if he didn't draft him, he would kick the Colts ass for the next 15 years.

Spike 04-11-2023 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 263404)
Most of the bad I hear said about Levis is some find his brash personality offputting....seriously, some of the best QBs to ever play were somewhat brash and hit some people the wrong way. I think he is just trying to project confidence and may be overdoing a bit.

There are also some sports media writers that just don't like alpha males, because they aren't one!

True. Not just the sports media though, media in general.

Dam8610 04-11-2023 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 263348)
Levis' biggest concern IMO is a lack of touch. Everything comes out as a fastball. Comes from his footwork. He was working with a good QB guru in the offseason and did show some improvement on his pro day especially throwing to his left.

I think some of the Wentz comparisons come from that pigeon toe throwing and lack of touch (also bc he is white and a similar size and he runs). Wentz couldn't fix his issue, Allen did, does he have the work ethic to do it?

He was also hurt last season including a turf toe which kills your mobility and your throwing depending on the leg.

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 263352)
I listened to the Panthers' QB coach do a film study on Levis (in the other thread if you haven't seen it). He says a lot of this ^^. His arm is very impressive and he can make throws with little wind-up when pressure is in his face. He also processes his reads fine but is able to, for example in the video, skip the open underneath out route and instead fire from the opposite hash to the numbers on a 10-yard hitch for a good gain.

However, he mentions that it's one of the biggest concerns about him as well. Because of the strength and talent, he makes some bad decisions as well as missing some throws even without pressure. As McCown says, you have to find out if he has a governor on this Ferrari or are you going to be one of those guys that's always going to fire a cannon.

For me, the Wentz comparison is about the mechanics and inconsistent accuracy + the toughness + the really strong arm that can lead to both awesome plays and bad decisions. It's like that awesome throw Wentz made against Arizona right before he was clobbered... that's great. But it also came in a package deal that included all the other shit he did that drove us nuts.

Depending on if he takes to coaching, Levis gives me the same worries.

These are the concerns. His mechanics are flawed, he seems to think he's a finished product, he only seems to have a fastball, and he plays hero ball way too often, leading to poor decisions and mistakes.

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 263374)
WHY would you help a team in your conference? WTF

You = bag of hammers

WHY would you automatically assume that trading up helps them?

You = bag of hammer. No chance of even a spark from clanging around.

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 263411)
Wait until Dam finds out Levis has a higher completion percentage than Stroud when under pressure. Just say'n, no reason..........lol....

Until you define what "under pressure" means, that's an irrelevant statistic. Who cares if Levis can stand in the pocket and take a shot better? That sounds like higher injury risk to me. Stroud's way of dealing with pressure typically is to roll away from it and find an open receiver downfield.

Brylok 04-11-2023 03:41 PM

Jesus. Sixteen more days of this shit.

Lov2fish 04-11-2023 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 263422)



Until you define what "under pressure" means, that's an irrelevant statistic. Who cares if Levis can stand in the pocket and take a shot better? That sounds like higher injury risk to me. Stroud's way of dealing with pressure typically is to roll away from it and find an open receiver downfield.

Pass rush, any and all pass rush. It seems I mentioned Stroud performed poorly when the pocket is collapsing around him. However you're so infatuated with him you ignore any of his poor decisions.

apballin 04-11-2023 05:27 PM

I disagree with him thinking he’s a finished product, he realizes he needs improvement but that will come with playing time, so I believe he is a day 1 starter he’s a competitor and wants to be out there he doesn’t strike me as a guy that learns from the sideline. As far as him playing “hero ball” again he’s a competitor and he was trying to win while not having Harrison Jr to throw it up to

ChaosTheory 04-11-2023 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 263441)
I disagree with him thinking he’s a finished product, he realizes he needs improvement but that will come with playing time, so I believe he is a day 1 starter he’s a competitor and wants to be out there he doesn’t strike me as a guy that learns from the sideline. As far as him playing “hero ball” again he’s a competitor and he was trying to win while not having Harrison Jr to throw it up to

In the event we take Levis, I hope you're right about the first bold. And I agree in general, put the kid out there and let him take his lumps and learn.

On the second bold, though, that's precisely what drove everyone bananas with Wentz. He's going to have to accept coaching and pump the brakes on that stuff.

Dam8610 04-11-2023 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 263432)
Pass rush, any and all pass rush. It seems I mentioned Stroud performed poorly when the pocket is collapsing around him. However you're so infatuated with him you ignore any of his poor decisions.

I have a hard time believing that includes rollouts where pressure is escaped, considering Stroud faced that constantly and most frequently used his legs to escape the pressure, buy time, and find an open receiver downfield. I'd be interested to see where Bryce Young falls on this, because like Stroud he used his legs to escape pressure often, he just ended up running the ball more often.


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