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JAFF 03-10-2023 02:08 PM

Who's staying, who's going?
 
https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...e/69973893007/

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Starters

Parris Campbell, wide receiver

The former second-round pick took a big step forward in 2022, a milestone that got lost in the ugliness of the Indianapolis season. Finally healthy for all 17 games, Campbell responded by producing 63 catches, 623 yards and three touchdowns, impressive numbers considering the Colts’ woes at quarterback, and hits free agency as part of a thin wide receiver class. When he was asked about the wide receiver position last week, Ballard said the team needed to add depth behind Michael Pittman Jr. and Alec Pierce, but he didn’t commit to bringing back Campbell, who might be able to cash in a big deal in this market.

Yannick Ngakoue, defensive end

The early splash the Colts made a year ago produced mixed results. Ngakoue led Indianapolis with 9.5 sacks and ranked second in pressures (41) behind DeForest Buckner (52). But Ngakoue wasn’t the unblockable force he needed to be off of the edge, and he’s another player who has a chance at a big deal in free agency due to the lack of elite talent at his position. When asked about the defensive end position, the Colts general manager touted Kwity Paye and Dayo Odeyingbo, and on Ngakoue said: “It was great to have him here in Indy, and we’ll see what happens going forward.”


Bobby Okereke, linebacker

Okereke has been a rangy, steady starter in Indianapolis, and he’s coming off of back-to-back seasons with more than 130 tackles, but it seems like he’ll end up signing elsewhere, given the team’s depth chart at his position. Indianapolis already has one big-money linebacker in Shaquille Leonard, and long-time team leader Zaire Franklin emerged as a force defensively last season, leading the Colts with a franchise-record 166 tackles.

Rodney McLeod, safety

One of the best value signings in the league at just $1.77 million, McLeod was a rock for the Indianapolis secondary, finishing third on the team with 92 tackles, plus eight tackles-for-loss and eight passes defended. The Colts have been in contact with McLeod this offseason, but the 11-year veteran also indicated at the end of the season that he might be contemplating retirement.

Chase McLaughlin, kicker

Brought in to stabilize a perennial trouble spot, McLaughlin responded by making a team-record 9 of 12 field goals from 50 yards or more and 83.3% overall. The well-traveled veteran lives in the Indianapolis area, there has been contact with the Colts this offseason and McLaughlin has earned the right to head into the offseason as the incumbent in Indianapolis.


Contributors

Ashton Dulin, wide receiver

Dulin, always a key special teams ace, has developed into a capable receiver over the years, making 28 catches over the past two seasons. But the fact that he can fill more than one spot on the roster might make him attractive in free agency to another team, the way George Odum moved on last year.

Brandon Facyson, cornerback

Facyson has a long history with the Colts defensive coaching staff, and his numbers in coverage — 56.3% completions, 7.1 yards allowed per attempt according to Sports Info Solutions — were better than it seemed. But tackling issues and the early loss of starting snaps to Isaiah Rodgers made for a tough year for Facyson, who might want a change of scenery.

Tyquan Lewis, defensive end

Indianapolis has long believed in Lewis, who has been a valuable rotational player on the defensive line when he’s been healthy. And although he’s coming off a torn patellar tendon for the second year in a row, Lewis might be a valuable low-cost signing again if he comes in around the one-year, $2.545 million deal he signed at this time last year.

Matt Pryor, offensive line

The Colts signed Pryor to a one-year, $5 million deal to be the team’s starting left tackle last season, and the move blew up for both parties — Pryor’s seven sacks allowed crippled the Indianapolis offensive line, and the move to left tackle seemed like it unsettled Pryor, leading to struggles at right tackle and guard, even though he’d been good in those spots in 2021. If Pryor’s back in Indianapolis, it will likely be at low cost.

E.J. Speed, linebacker

Whether or not Speed returns to Indianapolis likely depends on his market. The former fifth-round pick has risen from a special teams-only player into a strong-side linebacker who made 63 tackles and seven tackles-for-loss last season, but the linebacker market has often fallen off quickly in recent years, and there are a lot of veterans available at the position.

Matt Haack, punter

As long as Rigoberto Sanchez is completely healed from the Achilles tear that cost him the season, Haack will be looking for a new home in 2023.

Reserves

Ben Banogu, defensive end

A former second-round pick, Banogu has now failed to crack the playing rotation under two separate defensive staffs, and he hasn’t recorded a sack since his rookie season, making a return to Indianapolis unlikely.

Tony Brown, cornerback

Brown was a valuable special teamer, making six tackles in the kicking game, has some ability to play nickel and likely won’t command much on the open market.

Byron Cowart, defensive tackle

Cowart made 12 tackles and two tackles-for-loss while playing 20% of the snaps, but Indianapolis is developing former fifth-round pick Eric Johnson and might look for another tackle in free agency or the draft.

Dennis Kelly, offensive tackle

For whatever reason, Kelly wasn’t given much of a chance to impact the Colts offensive line, playing 240 snaps, and after 10 seasons in the NFL, Kelly might be more inclined to sign with a team that looks like a contender.

Armani Watts, safety

Watts went on injured reserve in the preseason with an ankle injury, and Indianapolis already has three young safeties under contract.

Khalid Kareem, defensive end

The lone restricted free agent on the list, Kareem isn’t likely to be offered a tender, given that he played just 61 defensive snaps, recording one tackle and three quarterback hits.


Ironshaft 03-10-2023 04:03 PM

The only guy that I would like to see us sign prior to the beginning of free agency is E.J. Speed. I think a Zaire Franklin type contract of 3-year, $10m for a cap hit of $3.33m per year sounds aout right.

I think he is talented and will step up with more looks just like Franklin did this season.

Otherwise?

I would not mind seeing Campbell back but only if he is not expensive.

I would not mind seeing McLeod back but only if he does not retire.

I would not mind McLaughlin back if we cannot find better.

I would not mind seeing Dulin back, period.

But, none of those guys, with the possible exception of Campbell in a weak WR free agency class, will be very expensive.

YDFL Commish 03-10-2023 05:25 PM

Speed: Keep.

Okereke: Keep only if there are Shaq health questions or we shop him in a trade.

Campbell: Keep at the right price. A lot of WR's in this draft can replicate his production.

Ngakoue: Keep only as a situational pass rusher. He's so bad against the run. This is a tough one because are we going to make the same mistake as we did on the OL this past year and entrusting Edge rush to two largely unproven players in Dayo and Quity?

Mcleod: Keep and double his salary.

Dulin: Just bring Pascal back. Pascal was better on as a WR.

Facyson: Just bring Rock Ya Sin back.

McLaughlin: Keep...No brainer.

The rest all gone, except either Cowart or Lewis. I don't know how many people noticed, but when either Grove or Buck were out of the game we got our asses stomped up the middle.

IndyNorm 03-10-2023 07:35 PM

My Take:

Definitely keep:

McLaughlin
McLeod - if he doesn't retire
Speed- if not too pricey
Dulin - assuming he'd sign for cheap
Brown - assuming he'd sign for cheap

Keep if he's not too expensive but he probably will be:

Okereke - Really good player and would love to keep him, but probably won't be able to.
Ngakoue - We really should try to keep him if possible since our edge pass rush will go from just ok to really bad again without him, but some team out there will probably give him way more than he's worth.

Keep them if they'll come back cheap:

Campbell - Finally stayed healthy and had a good year, but due to his injury history it's too risky to really pay him.
Kelly - Obviously nothing great here, but we're going to need OL depth.

Everyone else can walk except for Pryor. Make sure that worthless POS never steps foot back in the state, and if the Colts can swing it the neighboring states as well.

JAFF 03-10-2023 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 261003)
My Take:

Definitely keep:

McLaughlin
McLeod - if he doesn't retire
Speed- if not too pricey
Dulin - assuming he'd sign for cheap
Brown - assuming he'd sign for cheap

Keep if he's not too expensive but he probably will be:

Okereke - Really good player and would love to keep him, but probably won't be able to.
Ngakoue - We really should try to keep him if possible since our edge pass rush will go from just ok to really bad again without him, but some team out there will probably give him way more than he's worth.

Keep them if they'll come back cheap:

Campbell - Finally stayed healthy and had a good year, but due to his injury history it's too risky to really pay him.
Kelly - Obviously nothing great here, but we're going to need OL depth.

Everyone else can walk except for Pryor. Make sure that worthless POS never steps foot back in the state, and if the Colts can swing it the neighboring states as well.

I would love to see him in chicago

omahacolt 03-11-2023 04:14 PM

ngakoue is garbage. do not want him at all. get rid of that dude

YDFL Commish 03-11-2023 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 261091)
ngakoue is garbage. do not want him at all. get rid of that dude

I'm fine with that. But have a plan to replace him.

JAFF 03-11-2023 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 261103)
I'm fine with that. But have a plan to replace him.

In believe the plan is for someone on the roster

Oldcolt 03-12-2023 03:23 PM

Tyquan Lewis resigned for a one year incentive laden deal

YDFL Commish 03-12-2023 03:35 PM

Glad to see him back!

IndyNorm 03-12-2023 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 261009)
I would love to see him in chicago

I'd prefer he end up at one of our division rivals or the Cheats.

Hoopsdoc 03-12-2023 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 261003)
My Take:

Definitely keep:

McLaughlin
McLeod - if he doesn't retire
Speed- if not too pricey
Dulin - assuming he'd sign for cheap
Brown - assuming he'd sign for cheap

Keep if he's not too expensive but he probably will be:

Okereke - Really good player and would love to keep him, but probably won't be able to.
Ngakoue - We really should try to keep him if possible since our edge pass rush will go from just ok to really bad again without him, but some team out there will probably give him way more than he's worth.

Keep them if they'll come back cheap:

Campbell - Finally stayed healthy and had a good year, but due to his injury history it's too risky to really pay him.
Kelly - Obviously nothing great here, but we're going to need OL depth.

Everyone else can walk except for Pryor. Make sure that worthless POS never steps foot back in the state, and if the Colts can swing it the neighboring states as well.

I’m guessing at least one of these special teams guys will follow Bubba to Cleveland. Hopefully we can keep Dulin.

IndyNorm 03-12-2023 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 261180)
I’m guessing at least one of these special teams guys will follow Bubba to Cleveland. Hopefully we can keep Dulin.

Good point on some of our STers following Bubba. Agree on Dulin.

JAFF 03-12-2023 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 261184)
Good point on some of our STers following Bubba. Agree on Dulin.

Dulin wants to be a wr, he is better off in Indy

Chromeburn 03-13-2023 06:12 PM

Supposedly both Kelly and Big Mo are in a "get traded" or get cut position now.

Dam8610 03-13-2023 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 261348)
Supposedly both Kelly and Big Mo are in a "get traded" or get cut position now.

Don't really want to cut Kelly, but I can see the rationale. 100% on board with cutting MAC, contract is too big. When are they cutting Ryan and Foles?

Chromeburn 03-13-2023 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 261352)
Don't really want to cut Kelly, but I can see the rationale. 100% on board with cutting MAC, contract is too big. When are they cutting Ryan and Foles?

Not sure about the QB's. I know there is a pay date coming up with Ryan though.

Dam8610 03-13-2023 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 261353)
Not sure about the QB's. I know there is a pay date coming up with Ryan though.

Just looked it up, we'll know whether they cut or keep him by Friday, when his $10 million roster bonus is due.

Brylok 03-13-2023 07:08 PM

Bobby Okereke to the Giants. Good luck, baller!

Hoopsdoc 03-13-2023 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 261354)
Just looked it up, we'll know whether they cut or keep him by Friday, when his $10 million roster bonus is due.

There is no way in hell they’re keeping Ryan outside of some sort of restructuring.

If they keep him on his current deal I’ll kiss your left nut.

IndyNorm 03-13-2023 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 261362)
Bobby Okereke to the Giants. Good luck, baller!

Not surprising, but that still sucks :mad:

Hoopsdoc 03-13-2023 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 261362)
Bobby Okereke to the Giants. Good luck, baller!

Good luck to him.

Good player, good dude but Franklins emergence coupled with Leonard’s contract meant he’d never be back here.

How much did he get?

IndyNorm 03-13-2023 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 261348)
Supposedly both Kelly and Big Mo are in a "get traded" or get cut position now.

I saw something the other day about Kelly on the trading block, but first I'm hearing about MAC. Would be surprised if we get any takers for either of them.

Not sure what the urgency is to create the cap space unless Ballard is planning on stockpiling it for future years.

ukcolt 03-13-2023 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 261365)
Good luck to him.

Good player, good dude but Franklins emergence coupled with Leonard’s contract meant he’d never be back here.

How much did he get?

Bobby Okereke: Agreed to terms on a four-year, $40 million contract that includes $22 million guaranteed. (Ian Rapoport)

ukcolt 03-13-2023 07:17 PM

As well as he played last year, that is too much coin for a LB, when we have Leonard, Franklin, and hopefully Speed.

IndyNorm 03-13-2023 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ukcolt (Post 261374)
Bobby Okereke: Agreed to terms on a four-year, $40 million contract that includes $22 million guaranteed. (Ian Rapoport)

I was expecting that he'd get more than that, but still good for him. Sucks for us.

Brylok 03-13-2023 08:17 PM

Thanks, mate!

Chromeburn 03-13-2023 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 261373)
I saw something the other day about Kelly on the trading block, but first I'm hearing about MAC. Would be surprised if we get any takers for either of them.

Not sure what the urgency is to create the cap space unless Ballard is planning on stockpiling it for future years.

Yeah I don't see demand for either as very high.

ChaosTheory 03-13-2023 10:55 PM

Okereke was almost inevitable, but still sucks that it's official.

Also, one year later, Quenton Nelson is no longer the highest paid OG in the league. Lindstrom got a $105m deal ($21/yr) from ATL.

Oldcolt 03-13-2023 11:02 PM

I'm pleased that Kelly and Moe are gone (trade or cut). I'm willing to bet more starters leave before it is said and done. New head coach has no loyalty to old head coaches players, as it should be. Steichen is going to put his stamp on this team in more ways than one.

Butter 03-13-2023 11:21 PM

Clearly, there was no way we could resign Okereke with the turd of a contract Shaq has, but at least we have kept Speed.

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2023/3/...ar-9m-contract

ChaosTheory 03-14-2023 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 261407)
Clearly, there was no way we could resign Okereke with the turd of a contract Shaq has, but at least we have kept Speed.

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2023/3/...ar-9m-contract

Roquan Smith makes $20m, Fred Warner makes $19m, Tremaine Edmunds just signed for $18m... what should Leonard have been signed for?

Chromeburn 03-14-2023 01:28 AM

Colts sign Matt Gay to four year deal. Top five kicker in the league going into his prime. Kickers are so important and so ignored. How many games come down to the foot of the kicker every year? In the playoffs?

Hoopsdoc 03-14-2023 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 261413)
Colts sign Matt Gay to four year deal. Top five kicker in the league going into his prime. Kickers are so important and so ignored. How many games come down to the foot of the kicker every year? In the playoffs?

Actually, now that I think about it, with a rookie quarterback presumably, having a good kicker is pretty important.

Brylok 03-14-2023 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 261407)
Clearly, there was no way we could resign Okereke with the turd of a contract Shaq has, but at least we have kept Speed.

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2023/3/...ar-9m-contract

I'm glad Speed is back. I'm also glad Ballard is up off his ass and doing something early. Long may it continue.

ChaosTheory 03-14-2023 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 261413)
Colts sign Matt Gay to four year deal. Top five kicker in the league going into his prime. Kickers are so important and so ignored. How many games come down to the foot of the kicker every year? In the playoffs?

Just think back to when Vinatieri fell off. I think we lost 3-4 games directly from kicking that year.

McLaughlin was fine, but having a real weapon at kicker is valuable. I just wasn't paying attention to PK this off-season.

Brylok 03-14-2023 05:20 PM

Gilmore to the Cowboys: Colts get a 5th round comp pick in 2023. Thank you for your time here, Stephon! Good luck in Dallas (but I hope the Cowboys suck)!

Chromeburn 03-14-2023 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 261444)
Just think back to when Vinatieri fell off. I think we lost 3-4 games directly from kicking that year.

McLaughlin was fine, but having a real weapon at kicker is valuable. I just wasn't paying attention to PK this off-season.

Right? Two of the past seasons we could have been in the playoffs but for kicking. I know other stuff was happening, but if that was good we would have made it. Several division games lost that were on the line. It's under 6 mill a year for one of the top kickers, not sure what the huff is about. Mainly on twitter it's like Colt fans need to see the team overspend a bunch of money for an average FA. Otherwise its a failure and I'm kinda like "But why...?" That shit usually fails.

Chromeburn 03-14-2023 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 261511)
Gilmore to the Cowboys: Colts get a 5th round comp pick in 2023. Thank you for your time here, Stephon! Good luck in Dallas (but I hope the Cowboys suck)!

Damn, it was nice to have him. Good luck Gilly. Maybe he will get them closer. Was nice to have a good corner for a year.

ChaosTheory 03-14-2023 06:53 PM

So this "formula" the NFL has for compensatory picks is apparently confidential. One of the factors is playing time... so does Okereke potentially net IND a comp pick?


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