Panthers hire Reich.
 

First head coach hired. They wanted him because of his success working with quarterbacks.

I wish him luck. And I think he’ll be successful.

He got royally screwed here.

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Developing QB's? Luck was already developed, Brissett never improved, Rivers was already developed, Wentz was a disaster and Ryan was already developed, but regressed.

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I liked Frank, and I will root for him with his new team ...... which will be pretty easy to do, because of the fact that they play in the NFC.

The only game in which I will be rooting against Reich and his Panthers next year will be when they play the Colts in North Carolina.



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I will also be rooting against Reich and his Panthers if they have a rematch against the Colts in Super Bowl LVIII.

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Lol. Luck and Brissett had career years under Reich. Wentz had his best season since 2018 under Reich and then completely fell apart this season. Rivers had a really good season at 39 years old under Reich.

Say what you will about Frank as a coach but saying he isn’t good at working with quarterbacks shows you have no idea what you’re talking about. Clueless.

More from Florio.

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Carolina was playing well to end the year and seemed to be turning the corner making a late run at the playoffs.

If they regress, the fans are going to point to him as the reason.

He did not get screwed here- he screwed himself here.

He was scapegoated here. That’s just reality.

That he was the first coach hired and Carolina hired him after interviewing Sean Payton says all you need to know about what the league thinks of him as a coach and who was at fault for what happened in Indy.

Reich made one mistake that appears to have been unforgivable to Irsay and a certain segment of the fan base - he believed He could fix Wentz. Ballard and Irsay get constant reasons or excuses for their failures at QB. Reich took the weight of all of their failures with his one failure. Colts fans will likely wish they had Reich back. Especially if Saturday “wins” the job.

He coached Peyton Manning And I am sure PM gave his endorsement

Some of you are aver the top with criticism. Its stupid

Like I said, Rivers was already developed, a finished product. Frank doesn't get credit for that. Brissett's highest QB highest QBR of his career happened in Cleveland this season.

Everyone can bitch all they want about Reich. But he was dealt a bad hand and made due with what he had without complaining.

I wish him the best

Eh. I guess you could say scapegoated. I think there were a lot of problems in the organization. I think frank overall was a good coach, probably a better OC or QB coach, but fine as a HC. Ultimately I think the team was sort of spiraling downward and he was not going to be able to bring it back with his voice/methods. I think irsay saw this and wanted a change, thus he was let go with the intent of losing, getting a high pick and starting over with a new staff.

Dont compare his hiring with sean payton. Payton would require compensation to the saints which could be a huge factor in carolina's decision.

Luck kinda fucked Reich, but Reich wanted Wentz and then Ryan because he wanted a QB to have a camp. So he handpicked his last 2 QBs and the results were terrible

One thing we should consider, is that I'm sure that Ballard and Reich had a mid-season, very long meeting with Irsay.

My guess is that Ballard said, look Jim, I screwed up. I did not get us the right players at several positions. While Reich said, I'm sorry Jim, I've got no answers. We will just keep grinding and get 1% every day. You don't thin that was getting old?

Look, I wish all the success in the world in Carolina. We all know that he wasn't the only problem. But his time was just with this team.

I think Reichs biggest problem as coach is his failure to hold guys accountable. He’s just too nice.

And who knows, it probably wasn’t gonna work here anyway after everything that went down. Irsay absolutely DETESTED Wentz and Frank was directly responsible for bringing him here. That was Franks mistake and I don’t think Jim ever really got over it.

It just drives me insane to see everyone dumping all the blame on Reich when he was clearly not the problem. That became painfully obvious the minute Jeff Saturday showed up.

As for Sean Payton, if the Panthers felt he was head and shoulders better than Reich, they would have paid the price necessary to get him. That’s kind of my point. They obviously didn’t think there was that much of a difference.

Peyton also endorses Brian Callahan. Irsay is still going with Saturday.

Panthers are excited, as they should be. Must've thought he was the best guy available this offseason signing him so quick. Curious what they plan on doing at QB.

Panthers scoring ranks the past few years have been: 20th, 29th, 24th, 20th

Colts scoring with Reich before the Twilight Zone happened: 9th, 9th, 16th, 5th

People on Twitter laughed when I said he would get hired again quickly.

Pierce was on one of the drive time shows today. He was asked about the difference in having Frank vs Saturday. He made a very telling statement. He said Frank was a very nice guy, pretty soft spoken. He referred to him as a "mind". Said Saturday was more of an energy guy, more of a fire people up guy.

Definitely sounds like Frank struck people as the thinker and implementer much more than the leader.

I don't think you can succeed in the NFL as a head coach without being that guy that the locker room looks at as their leader vs their teacher.

Congratulations to Frank Reich! I'm glad he landed on his feet. Now Irsay can afford to fire Chris Ballard and not have to pay two guys to do nothing, as Kravitz said a couple of weeks ago on the morning show. The only reason Ballard is still there.

I wish Frank the best too, but I think he has to get fired here to become a better coach going forward.

The consistency with this teams early season failures never changed, and after last year’s collapse, it would have been insane to keep this shit going.

It is what it is. I just hope Irsay & Ballard get this shit right so the pricks in the national media, like Florio, can’t keep up their lazy fucking narrative of trying to make Indianapolis out to be a historical fuckup like Cleveland.

The constant turnover at QB and constantly being asked to find an answer from some combination of rookie and cast offs at critical positions (LT, DE, WR) are the reasons for slow starts every year. That they typically played better by mid and late season (except after being gutted by Covid) is a sign of good coaching. They were 3-3-1 when Irsay started meddling and there is zero reason to believe they wouldn’t have improved as the season progressed. Firing Reich accomplished one thing - a better draft pick. If Irsay hires “the motivator” Saturday, we will be Cleveland. Team is already a fucking laughing stock thanks to Irsay and Ballard.

well said.


reich is a good coach. the players on this team are why he is gone.

When the Colts got Wentz, I wasn't happy. I thought they should have gone after Darnold. That decision is IMO what made Reich expendable. He vouched for that POS. I don't think he's a bad coach, but I prefer IN YOUR FACE type coaches. When things were going really bad this year, he just sort of looked like a helpless victim and when players fucked up, there seemed to be no accountability. That I don't like. I believe he got a raw deal here and that no coach could have succeeded with the QB carousel that the Colts have had in his time here. He had to go since you can't fire the entire team. It will be interesting to see how he does with the Panthers and with Darnold. Darnold is only 25 years old right now, so I still believe he can become at least a good QB. If he is successful and Darnold becomes a solid QB, there are a lot of folks here that need to eat crow.

Darnold is bad, never going to be any good. There are just some guys that can't do this on a conistent basis. They make great money for 8-12 years wearing a hat and headset but put them in a game scenario for a sufficient duration of time, they demonstrate that's where they belong- on the sidelines.

If they stick with Darnold, with the way Frank coaches, Frank won't make it to the end of year 2.

Based on Reichs history, if Darnold is his starter, he will play as well or better than he ever has.

Very true. But half of the story. He also had an owner who, uncharacteristically, started dipping his fingers into the sauce.

Yeah, I think Frank being back in Carolina with a fresh start is the best thing for him. It just got old and toxic and worn out with the Colts. If Darnold has anything left, Frank will probably find it.

Good for them. He's a solid HC in the league. His time just was up here though. Sometimes change is good for everyone.

The trouble is, he dealt himself Wentz.

A couple of things. Not only did he say that he could fix Wentz, but he persuaded the team to ship a first and a third round draft pick to Philly in order to acquire the Quarterback who, even the most blind observer could see, was irretrievably broken. The following year, he was at it, again, getting Ballard to ante up a 3rd round pick for Matt Ryan.

Between those two bozo’s, Jim Irsay shelled out the better part of $60 Million in hard, cold cash.

In addition, for whatever reason, he didn’t seem able to recruit and retain a high quality coaching staff. When Eberflus and Siriani left, they took the cream of the coaching staff with them. At the end of the day,you have to ask yourself if you want a head coach who can’t attract a better offensive coordinator than Marcus Brady?

How much impact did he have on the decision to bring in Matt Ryan? I mean after Wentz and then Ryan, somebody's head had to roll...probably should have been two heads!

A lot of influence, Jimmy G and Baker Mayfield had injury concerns and probably wouldn’t have been ready for camp. Reich emphasized he wanted a QB that could participate in camp this year

Let’s skip past the idea that Reich is the GM. I don’t have any idea who or how much anyone advocated for Ryan. But I’ll go ahead and ask - which of those two should they have taken a shot with? The always broken Jimmy? Or the head case that is Mayfield? I’d argue that if the line hadn’t collapsed they could have won with Ryan. Either way it’s trying to find the best out of some less than ideal options. A situation they painted themselves in to with the constant punting at QB.

The issue with this team hasn’t been player development or in game coaching. It has been roster construction - lack of focus on key positions (WR, LT), failures at others (DE), a constant focus on development over winning, a general disregard for the value of mid level vets, and a degree of “fiscal responsibility” that puts the team at a disadvantage nearly every season. I’ve been complaining about it since Ballard’s second off season. Plenty of you pin the obvious consequences of Ballard’s philosophy on Reich. I guess we’ll agree on one thing - Reich shouldn’t be a GM.

So let me get this straight. He had two assistants hired away to be head coaches, yet one of your arguments is his inability to attract and retain a staff? Even knowing that Eberflus was inherited that’s a fucking laughable take.

But I get it - the team had great players that just weren’t properly coached. The outcome of the season had nothing to do with Ballard being Ballard with the OL. It’s pretty obvious it was strictly coaching considering how well they did under Jeff Saturday…..

I hope Reich convinces them that he can fix Darnold, so that they don't move up in the draft to take a QB.

Which will be good enough for 6-11 and a lot of calls for the coach to be gone. Darnold is not good and sticking with him, well, time will tell...

I was just getting ready to post this. How in the hell are you gonna penalize Reich for losing two guys to head coaching positions? Fucking ridiculous.

And there’s no way of knowing how good Brady was. Literally NO ONE was going to be successful with that offensive line.

Brady was fired because Jim needed someone to blame for Ballards failure. When that didn’t work, he fired Reich and brought in Jeff Saturday. We all saw how that worked out. Historically bad team that also happened to be the laughingstock of the league.

Vince Lombardi himself would have won less than 5 games with a line that couldn’t run block OR pass block.

That shit is 100 percent on Ballard.

That may be but Reich will get the absolute most out of him.

We know that much.

I think with Reich getting hired that it saves Irsay a shit ton of money
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