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JAFF 12-08-2022 11:28 AM

A silent hell': The night Andrew Luck broke down,
 
https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...m/69705638007/

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For years, after he walked away, Andrew Luck became an invisible part of the world in which he’d once been a hero. Instead of practicing at the Colts complex on 56th Street, he walked by and took his daughter to soccer practice. The film room in the house he’d built in Indianapolis became an office. The physical therapy room turned into a guest room.

It was here he transformed himself, from someone who identified as a great quarterback to someone who identifies as a husband, a father, a student. Maybe one day, he’ll be a coach.

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But whatever he pursues next, he’ll do it with a different perspective — one that only comes through experiences that left Luck living in, as ESPN’s Seth Wickersham describes, “a silent hell, scared and panicking.”

* * *

One night in Holland, Andrew Luck finally broke.

He couldn’t fathom how he found himself here. In 2015, he’d missed nine games with a labrum injury, a partial abdominal tear and a lacerated kidney. During the 2016 offseason, he’d separated his AC joint in a snowboarding accident. He missed the entire 2017 season.


Willem Kramer, a trainer, suggested Luck and his then-girlfriend Nicole Pechanec get away for a while. Off he went, to the Netherlands.

He couldn’t use his right arm to do the exercises Kramer assigned.

From Wickersham:

He wasn't sleeping well, he was in pain, he was fighting with Nicole, the team was halfway across the globe without him, and if he stopped to examine his life, the entire world he had constructed might start to unravel, perhaps revealing it to be fatally flawed all along. "I understood myself best as a quarterback," Luck says. "I felt no understanding of other parts of myself at all."

Nicole was prepared to leave him if nothing changed. Then one night, he broke. He cried, he cursed, he vented, he confessed, and most of all, he leveled with Nicole in a way she thought he was incapable of. "There were some things that when I looked in the mirror, I did not like about myself," he says. "I was self-absorbed, withdrawn, in pain, and feeling pressure." —

After about a few weeks in Holland, Luck started to see a professional therapist. And Kramer started to serve not only as a trainer but as a couple's counselor of sorts, trying to teach Andrew and Nicole about communication and identity, both as individuals and as a unit. One day, Kramer asked Luck, "Aren't you more than a quarterback?"

"Huh?" Luck said.

"I mean, that's fine -- I guess. What you do on the field is amazing. But aren't you more than that?"

Luck thought so, but maybe not. It took weeks, but Luck was at the early stages of trying to shed his former self -- his quarterback self -- in favor of a person he didn't know yet.


He came back for one more magical season in 2018. He threw 39 touchdown passes, led the Colts back to the playoffs and won Comeback Player of the Year. But even then, he was still in pain. Midway through the season, his foot and ankle began bothering him. He strained his ankle at the Pro Bowl.

— Looking back, Luck wishes he had told the team, "I gave it all I had this year, but this is no more for me."

Instead, he told everyone that he'd be all right.

Years later, after he’d stepped away from the game, he told a group of kids he wished he’d done it differently.

More from Wickersham:

"What's your biggest regret from your NFL career?" a kid asked.

Luck cursed in his mind, having hoped for a softball. "Good question!" he said, and he decided to tell a group of kids what he had never said publicly:

"I regret the timing of when I retired."

He felt he had let people down, for which he had to learn how to forgive himself. What mattered to him most about football, what he wanted the kids to learn, was the "uber accountability." He knew that his own ideas of accountability and of football were more complicated than the romantic version that he had shared. And yet on the drive home that afternoon, Luck couldn't stop smiling at the thought of those romantic notions. Of sitting in meetings and geeking out for 45 minutes on one play. Of tough moments, when he was hurting or reckless with the ball. Of dumb stuff, like being whacked by pool noodles in practice to reduce fumbles.

MeSayDayo 12-08-2022 01:51 PM

I am among those that believe Luck would have eventually had to face these same issues, mentally speaking, even if injuries never played into his career arc.
If he wasn't injured, no doubt it would have been the external pressure of winning a Superbowl that would have weighed heavily on him. A lot of the things that turned him into a cold drone to his wife and friends were the same, weather they impacted his rehab process or his preparation process as a healthy player. The guy didn't like who he was when he was relied upon to be the face of the franchise-who made all of the decisions and ordered food for everyone else at restaurants. This had nothing to do with rehab- the injuries and rehab simply exasperated the problem.

He would have retired early (perhaps for introverted reasons, pressure from his wife which was evident in the article) if he remained healthy. But that in itself is a long shot, as he played with heart and often took big hits. Andrew Luck was bigger than football and he eventually realized it. He was a gifted athlete with a gifted mind, and luckily for him, his mind won out on that decision. I don't think he wanted to finish his career with the cerebral aptitude of Antonio Brown. A man with the mind of Andrew Luck really didn't have any business in a Neanderthals NFL world.
Peyton had football intelligence that was off the charts- but I don't think he had a fraction of the introspective capabilities of Andrew Luck to ever even question his self worth.
In the example of Peyton vs Luck and where they vastly differed - Peyton benefitted from introspective ignorance, and the good fortune of playing for over 10 years with little to no major injuries.

ZionsvilleColtsFan 12-08-2022 04:06 PM

ESPN article
 
The original ESPN article came out this week behind a pay site and the author/writer was on 107.5 radio. Luck was mentally and physically spent. One of my alltime favorite Colts(including Unitas). Writer mentioned Andrew likes to fish in his waders in Eagle Creek and tips well at the coffee shop. What I think is amazing is that Luck & family stayed here in Indy after his career was over.

IndyNorm 12-08-2022 11:11 PM

Hoping it leaks at some point. Would like to read the full article but not enough to pay for the ESPN+ subscription.

CletusPyle 12-08-2022 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ZionsvilleColtsFan (Post 253416)
The original ESPN article came out this week behind a pay site and the author/writer was on 107.5 radio. Luck was mentally and physically spent. One of my alltime favorite Colts(including Unitas). Writer mentioned Andrew likes to fish in his waders in Eagle Creek and tips well at the coffee shop. What I think is amazing is that Luck & family stayed here in Indy after his career was over.

Someone said he went back to California now to continue his schooling at Stanford?

Racehorse 12-09-2022 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 253457)
Hoping it leaks at some point. Would like to read the full article but not enough to pay for the ESPN+ subscription.

https://archive.ph/0w8KO?mibextid=Zxz2cZ
It is a very long read, even longer than Jaff's usual posts.

JAFF 12-09-2022 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ZionsvilleColtsFan (Post 253416)
The original ESPN article came out this week behind a pay site and the author/writer was on 107.5 radio. Luck was mentally and physically spent. One of my alltime favorite Colts(including Unitas). Writer mentioned Andrew likes to fish in his waders in Eagle Creek and tips well at the coffee shop. What I think is amazing is that Luck & family stayed here in Indy after his career was over.

Indy and Indiana is a great place to live. Ive lived on both coasts and length of the Rockies from boarder to boarder, and I’m blessed to find our home in the Hoosier state.

rcubed 12-09-2022 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 253484)
Indy and Indiana is a great place to live. Ive lived on both coasts and length of the Rockies from boarder to boarder, and I’m blessed to find our home in the Hoosier state.


Everywhere has pros and cons

Colts And Orioles 12-09-2022 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 253478)



https://archive.ph/0w8KO?mibextid=Zxz2cZ


It is a very long read, even longer than Jaff's usual posts.




o


This is one of those posts/finds in which the board should thank universally.

o

IndyNorm 12-10-2022 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 253478)
https://archive.ph/0w8KO?mibextid=Zxz2cZ
It is a very long read, even longer than Jaff's usual posts.

Thanks!!! Really appreciate it! Pretty long read but a pretty good one. I wish the article would have gone into more details on his foot and ankle injuries, but it seems like as Dayo points out then injuries really weren't the big issue.

IndyNorm 12-11-2022 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MeSayDayo (Post 253403)
I am among those that believe Luck would have eventually had to face these same issues, mentally speaking, even if injuries never played into his career arc.
If he wasn't injured, no doubt it would have been the external pressure of winning a Superbowl that would have weighed heavily on him. A lot of the things that turned him into a cold drone to his wife and friends were the same, weather they impacted his rehab process or his preparation process as a healthy player. The guy didn't like who he was when he was relied upon to be the face of the franchise-who made all of the decisions and ordered food for everyone else at restaurants. This had nothing to do with rehab- the injuries and rehab simply exasperated the problem.

He would have retired early (perhaps for introverted reasons, pressure from his wife which was evident in the article) if he remained healthy. But that in itself is a long shot, as he played with heart and often took big hits. Andrew Luck was bigger than football and he eventually realized it. He was a gifted athlete with a gifted mind, and luckily for him, his mind won out on that decision. I don't think he wanted to finish his career with the cerebral aptitude of Antonio Brown. A man with the mind of Andrew Luck really didn't have any business in a Neanderthals NFL world.
Peyton had football intelligence that was off the charts- but I don't think he had a fraction of the introspective capabilities of Andrew Luck to ever even question his self worth.
In the example of Peyton vs Luck and where they vastly differed - Peyton benefitted from introspective ignorance, and the good fortune of playing for over 10 years with little to no major injuries.

I agree with you, especially after reading the article. The injuries definitely expedited things, but it sounds like ultimately he just wasn't mentally and emotionally equipped to be the face of a franchise. And on top of that he wasn't able to maintain any sort of work life balance. I think if/when he graduates and gets out into the real world he's going to still struggle with work/life balance since he's already had to drop classes in the his first semester b/c of this.

JAFF 12-11-2022 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 253616)
I agree with you, especially after reading the article. The injuries definitely expedited things, but it sounds like ultimately he just wasn't mentally and emotionally equipped to be the face of a franchise. And on top of that he wasn't able to maintain any sort of work life balance. I think if/when he graduates and gets out into the real world he's going to still struggle with work/life balance since he's already had to drop classes in the his first semester b/c of this.

Dropping some classes is finding balance. There are many reasons for dropping classes, since he is a stay at home dad

IndyNorm 12-11-2022 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 253637)
Dropping some classes is finding balance. There are many reasons for dropping classes, since he is a stay at home dad

Maybe, but I doubt a full time teaching and coaching job, which is what he said he wants to do, will be less demanding than grad school.

JAFF 12-11-2022 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 253696)
Maybe, but I doubt a full time teaching and coaching job, which is what he said he wants to do, will be less demanding than grad school.

Not knowing Ca. Standards for receiving a teaching license, he would need core secondary ed methodology classes, Ed psych, a semester of student teaching. With all the dumb things that get classroom teachers in trouble, educational law (teacher and student rights)

ZionsvilleColtsFan 12-11-2022 07:00 PM

Thanks for posting this!

IndyNorm 12-11-2022 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 253701)
Not knowing Ca. Standards for receiving a teaching license, he would need core secondary ed methodology classes, Ed psych, a semester of student teaching. With all the dumb things that get classroom teachers in trouble, educational law (teacher and student rights)

Not saying that his teaching masters is going to be a walk in the park. Just saying that a full time teaching and coaching gig will probably be pretty demanding. Of course he won't need to rely on it financially, so he can walk away from it at any time if he can't handle it.

JAFF 12-11-2022 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 253714)
Not saying that his teaching masters is going to be a walk in the park. Just saying that a full time teaching and coaching gig will probably be pretty demanding. Of course he won't need to rely on it financially, so he can walk away from it at any time if he can't handle it.

For Indiana, :

To get a teaching license for secondary ed you need a major in ed and a minor or a major in your subject. Emergency license , just a major in the area and an emergency certificate for education.

I dont know why he would want a masters, its not necessary for the classroom. If he is thinking about being an AD, or asst principle thats 1 1/2 years if you are just taking summer classes.

States vary. If he really wants to be an educator, stay out of the office, stay in the classroom.

My opinion only. The best educator (principal) should spend 90% of their time with the kids and 10% with the bullshit paper work. Thats not the case and thats the biggest problem in schools. Hire an accountant for the paperwork and free up educators to educate

Racehorse 12-11-2022 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 253730)
For Indiana, :

To get a teaching license for secondary ed you need a major in ed and a minor or a major in your subject. Emergency license , just a major in the area and an emergency certificate for education.

I dont know why he would want a masters, its not necessary for the classroom. If he is thinking about being an AD, or asst principle thats 1 1/2 years if you are just taking summer classes.

States vary. If he really wants to be an educator, stay out of the office, stay in the classroom.

My opinion only. The best educator (principal) should spend 90% of their time with the kids and 10% with the bullshit paper work. Thats not the case and thats the biggest problem in schools. Hire an accountant for the paperwork and free up educators to educate

It could be that he needs to get the education classes, and is already taking Master's classes in something else, so he is already paying that rate now.

TheMugwump 12-17-2022 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 253696)
Maybe, but I doubt a full time teaching and coaching job, which is what he said he wants to do, will be less demanding than grad school.

Having done both in my life, you are 100% correct. Doing either while being the primary care-giver of children would only add to the challenge.

JAFF 12-17-2022 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 253714)
Not saying that his teaching masters is going to be a walk in the park. Just saying that a full time teaching and coaching gig will probably be pretty demanding. Of course he won't need to rely on it financially, so he can walk away from it at any time if he can't handle it.

He can get EdM, it is about attention to detail, knowing Ed history AND Ed law. Its not physics

IndyNorm 12-17-2022 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 254557)
He can get EdM, it is about attention to detail, knowing Ed history AND Ed law. Its not physics

Ok. Thanks for the info I think. It still doesn't change anything about my point that if the guy is having trouble w/ work/life balance 2 weeks into getting his teaching degree then he's probably not going to be able to handle the work/life balance situation when putting his degree to use out in the real world.

JAFF 12-18-2022 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 254601)
Ok. Thanks for the info I think. It still doesn't change anything about my point that if the guy is having trouble w/ work/life balance 2 weeks into getting his teaching degree then he's probably not going to be able to handle the work/life balance situation when putting his degree to use out in the real world.

This is not that big of a deal. It could be any number of things. I had classes cancelled after the first day because they didnt get enough people to sign up. Professors left for another institution. You have no real information that he cant handle his life.

IndyNorm 12-18-2022 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 254618)
This is not that big of a deal. It could be any number of things. I had classes cancelled after the first day because they didnt get enough people to sign up. Professors left for another institution. You have no real information that he cant handle his life.

Directly from the article (look at the bold part):

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THE EXISTENTIAL STRESS is real stress a few weeks later at Stanford, as Luck exits his philosophy of education class, exhausted and overwhelmed. It's the second week of school. We enter a café. He stands in front of a coffee machine, and I ask him about his day.
"It's really, uh -- you want anything?"
He fixes himself an espresso, his second of the morning. He looks like a college student -- flannel shirt, backpack, beat-up Stanford hat, which happens to be from his undergrad days -- and is fretting like one, worried about the course load, all of which is more complicated with a young family. He already dropped a class after feeling too close to the line of "losing touch" with Nicole and the kids, a boundary that after Holland he promised himself and the family he'd never cross, a reminder that his quarterback self, the guy who could so easily and ruthlessly exclude everything in life except the task at hand, is still in there. The photo on his Stanford ID is still the one he took at age 18, during his first days on campus. Little about the experience is familiar, except when he drops by the football offices. As a freshman and now, Luck came to campus wanting to be something. Back then, the choice was clear -- and felt less like a choice than it does now.

Colts And Orioles 12-18-2022 09:27 AM

o


Yesterday's collapse against the Vikings was not a silent Hell, it was a very loud Hell.

o

JAFF 12-18-2022 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 254620)
Directly from the article (look at the bold part):

He dropped one class. Didnt stop going to any class. Did he wait until he was miserable? He did stop all classess and move to Idaho? I added a BS and later an MA to my resume, while holding a job. It took me a little longer because I dropped a class one week in because I thought the prof was fucking nuts. Turned out, everyone else bailed on the class.

Think of it this way. He decided that that class wasnt what he wanted, and instead of sticking it out and being miserable, he walked away. He made the decision for himself, not for anyone else.

I didnt find my career until I was 30. What I didnt try? And when I found something that I enjoyed, I had 35 years where I never dreaded going to work. He dropped something after deciding it wasnt worth his time. Wasnt that his problem? He was miserable, and didnt want to be a quitter.

Its one class. Get a grip.

IndyNorm 12-18-2022 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 254639)
He dropped one class. Didnt stop going to any class. Did he wait until he was miserable? He did stop all classess and move to Idaho? I added a BS and later an MA to my resume, while holding a job. It took me a little longer because I dropped a class one week in because I thought the prof was fucking nuts. Turned out, everyone else bailed on the class.

Think of it this way. He decided that that class wasnt what he wanted, and instead of sticking it out and being miserable, he walked away. He made the decision for himself, not for anyone else.

I didnt find my career until I was 30. What I didnt try? And when I found something that I enjoyed, I had 35 years where I never dreaded going to work. He dropped something after deciding it wasnt worth his time. Wasnt that his problem? He was miserable, and didnt want to be a quitter.

Its one class. Get a grip.

I have no idea why you're getting so butt hurt about this. I'm not insulting Luck or anyone else.

The guy wasn't able to maintain the work/life balance he wanted when playing in the NFL, which was a primary driver in him retiring from the game. Then right out of the gate he's dropping a class b/c (as clearly stated in the article) it was cutting too much into his home life. Not b/c the professor was crazy, etc. like you seem to think it is. I never said he was flipping out or screwed, but predicting that he's going to struggle maintaining the work/life balance he wants and his family seems to expect for him is very much objective and reasonable based on the details in the article.

Brylok 12-18-2022 03:18 PM

I have SO much I'd like to say about this fucking guy #12, the owner, and the organization as a whole...but I won't. A certain amount of decorum is needed now. It's sooo hard not to vent it out, but I won't.

JAFF 12-18-2022 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 254672)
I have no idea why you're getting so butt hurt about this. I'm not insulting Luck or anyone else.

The guy wasn't able to maintain the work/life balance he wanted when playing in the NFL, which was a primary driver in him retiring from the game. Then right out of the gate he's dropping a class b/c (as clearly stated in the article) it was cutting too much into his home life. Not b/c the professor was crazy, etc. like you seem to think it is. I never said he was flipping out or screwed, but predicting that he's going to struggle maintaining the work/life balance he wants and his family seems to expect for him is very much objective and reasonable based on the details in the article.

Im not butt hurt. Why are you saying the sky is falling?


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