Should we be Sellers?
 

Does the news of Sam starting for us shout to the rest of the league "TANK"?

I would imagine that Chris Ballard's phone has been a lot busier than normal today. Most pro-bowlers in the league last year, ready to trot out ole Sam? Trade deadline looming?

Lets all talk about which players should go first and why- taking emotion out of it. Now that the Colts have shown their long term hand very clearly in one swift move to Sam, who (if anyone) now becomes expendable?

Don't tell me we are a RG or LT away from competing and that we should be be buyers. Willing to start Sam with a 5-5 record tell you everything about what our brass is willing to risk, so why not complete this rebuild with a move or two?

Personally I think it may only take one major move to give us enough capital to load up for 2023 draft.

1. Leonard - Injury prone, a mental health grenade on a MASSIVE deal for his position. 230 pounds soaking wet in a snowsuit. If someone offered us a package for him I would have to consider it- he likely wont play until he is 30, because, well, its OKAY to NOT BE OKAY. Any draft pick with a 1 or 2 or both and I am saying thanks to Shaq

2.JT- Hate this. I love JT and can only imagine what he will do in this league for the next 5 or 6 years barring injury. He's a baller and a straight stud.
But that is the rub- he is only going to be impactful for 5-6 years. If you can net a package like CMC (or likely better now....like a 1,2,3) then you have to consider it. This is purely a "RB is expendable" type of move, unfortunately. I consider this move more strongly now that I saw the haul Carolina got for CMC...he set a clear needy market out there for contending teams. Where you at Eagles, Rams and Bills?

3. Buckner - Aging, still very impactful, but also maybe more expendable given the shocking emergence of Big Grove who may now be our best defensive lineman and maybe even best defensive player period. If I can get a 2nd and 4th for Buck I would have to listen.

Interested to hear more candidates...

I don't sell shit. This team is talented, and for the most part, talented with young guys that have big promise. If Sam goes off which is unlikely, but if he does, then this team can suddenly become a long term force with a real chance to be consistent contender. If he sucks, get a stud QB, next year will be rough, but after that, with all these weapons and what looks like a loaded ass D for a while- we can be real serious again.

Doug Williams
Jeff Hostetler
Mark Rypien
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson
Joe Flacco
Nick Foles

Here's a few SB winning QB's not named Brady, Montana, Aikmen or Manning!! The QB doesn't have to be all pro to make it, he does however have to be adequate, and I'm guessing that's what the Colt's are hoping Ellinger is...................adequate !!!!!!

Who says Sam isn't a big upgrade over Ryan and Wentz?

I for one will wait and see what he does first.

depends on who and what for.


i never understood just shit canning all your young talent

I don't know about selling off the talent but it is time to fire the dipshit twins.

Same, having YOUNG talent shortens the rebuild. Why trade away a proven YOUNG player for a draft pick that may, or may not work out.

Yeah, we like all this talent, all these weapons, and this loaded D but we can't wait to start up the Fire-Ballard train again.

I would sell Leonard in a heart beat, but not JT or Buckner!

He will not be worse than Ryan. Ryan has been historically bad this year.

Everyone chill. this is them trying to win this year. this is not a fire sale. Ryan is cooked. The dude looks like he is 900 years old, has terrible decision-making, and can't hold on to the football (or not make dumb ass interceptions). Just like the O-line, and Facyson-they are actively trying to make the right decisions.

Not saying Sam is going to be the answer, but it sure wasnt Ryan, and they're making the change to see if he can do it. I am personally pumped.

If we can get JT right, meaning back to where he was, I would definitely sell him. He would command a kings ransom, if that were the case.

You don't win SB's with an elite running game in the NFL, you just don't. You also don't win by paying your super star RB a boat load of money. See Panthers and Cowboys and Titans.

I get your point, and I guess it would depend on what teams would offer, but if what you are saying is true why would teams be willing to give up so much for a player that won't get them to the promise land? I think a great back like JT makes it possible for just an above average QB to be enough to win a lot of games, provided you also have a top 10 defense.

I think the Colts would be better off going that route (top 10 D, JT, solid receivers, above average QB) than trying to get a franchise superstar QB. We had Peyton and Luck for 20+ seasons and only have 2 super bowl appearances and 1 championship to show for it!

I understand you're saying this is a passing league (I agree), but I had to look this up on a hunch. Maybe you'll find it interesting, too. I looked at the past 10 Super Bowl participants rushing rankings. The past two Super Bowls did not have teams with big run games, but prior to that...


2019 - SF (#2)

2018 - NE (#5), LAR (#3)

2017 - PHI (#3), NE (#10)

2016 - NE (#7), ATL (#5)

2015 - CAR (#2)

2014 - SEA (#1)

2013 - SEA (#4)

2012 - SF (#4), BAL (#10)

Fair enough, but how many of those teams had a superstar highly paid RB. I guess you could argue Gurley, who was washed by that SB and Lynch which was almost 10 years ago. The NFL has changed since 2014.

I feel like this is a tough question given we have no idea what’s going to happen next year.

If they can pull off a high 1st for Leonard I think you pull that trigger. I don’t think that speaks to Leonard’s ability as much as it indicates Indianapolis’ objective concession that they are just not ready to compete right now.

If they can get multiple picks for Taylor, just do it.

I guess I’m with Omaha for the rest of them. If the price is right, why not? Outside of Nelson, idk who else on the team would demand that much interest.

I imagine Buckner would as well

Except I'm not for tearing down the defense that has performed well under Bradley.

It's the offense that needs a revamp. So let's not create a problem to solve a problem.

There's not a player in the entire NFL that is untradeable IMO. Everyone has a price, it's professional football. If the price is right, make the deal. You simply have to believe you're getting an offer you can't refuse.

Let's see now...their names wouldn't happen to start with "B" and "R" would they?

Wow, you went there. The opposition will throw every thing at him. Curtis Painter and Dan Orlovsky ring a bell?

Same. I'm tired of the retreads, and Ryan isn't it. I haven't even seen Foles (who also isn't it). Sam at least gives me hope for the future. I've been anxious all day. First time in a while. Complete unknown.

Nobody is going to give you " a kings ransom" for a running back, I don't care how good he is ! we all remember, as Colt fans, exactly how disastrous trading for a running back can be when the Colts acquired Trent Richardson.

I agree, but let's not mention Trent in the same breath as JT. No comparison.

To quantify "A kings ransom" by RB standards.

IMO, Ballard shouldn't be allowed to make any moves unless Irsay has guaranteed him safe after this season.

Welcome aboard

I have no idea, your post said he would be worth a" kings ransom " if healthy, I assumed that you would know.

Schefter reports that a few teams have called and inquired about Hines in advance of the trade deadline.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/sta...48664166236162

https://twitter.com/DougKyed/status/1587258881503371271

He reminds people of Sproles, but he ain't Sproles!

Wonder if anyone will give anything for the frauds on the OL. If Nelson could get a first round pick I'd say take it, but that sounds delusional with how he's playing and his contract.

You basically answered your own question lol. Other teams I don't think will eat Nelsons contract. Nelson isn't going anywhere, he for sure needs 2 years before his contract is movable.

We have others though that should be sellers if there is buyers.

Reich has NEVER used him like Sproles !! If I'm not mistaken, Hines had his best season when Rivers was the Colt's QB.

I've heard the comparisons and remember this article in particular.

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2018/...reich-offense/

He was lied to!!!!

Come on down to crazy Jimmy's Colts emporium! We're making way for the 2023 models, and everything must go! We have running backs, lineman, and defensive backs at clearance prices! ZERO money down! Take our O-line (please)!

This is funny...^^^^

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Now that the season is over, would love to revisit this topic.

Should we be sellers and try to move a player or two for draft collateral? Either to move up a spot (or 3) in the first this year, or perhaps trade back into the first for another player we like?

If so, who are some of the mid first/late first/early second prospects that you all want for our second pick?

I am 100% in sell camp now- sell absolutely anything and everything that you can. Taylor, Buckner, Leonard, Pittman (dude is so non-clutch it's incredible) probably have solid value, get 5,6,7th for any other dude you can move other than Woods, Parris, Grover, Pierce, Franklin, Okereke, Speed, Gilmore. Get a real damn HC and a real QB and try to be the Lions of this year next year and the Jags of this year for 2025.

None of this will happen though, Ballard is not going to move "his" guys- he'll probably give several more dudes irrational contracts this year. Dude sucks.

You're shooting for us being the '22 Jaguars? And you want to sell some of our best players and fire our GM to do it?