The overthrow to Hilton
 

Wasn’t as simple as Wentz missing TY. They were simply on different pages. Hilton slows down and turns to catch what he expected to be a 10 yard pass. But Wentz, seeing blown coverage, seems to expect that TY will continue at full speed.

For whatever reason, Hilton never developed the kind of rapport with Wentz that he had with Luck.

Wentz should complete that pass every time. Retarded to say otherwise

Go look at the play. When TY gets to the 30 yard line he slows down and looks back at Wentz. Then, he speeds up and tries to chase down the ball.

If TY ran the route Wentz expected, Wentz hits him in stride.

Just fucking stop

when wide open, a WR is trained to stay in the open space and give a stationary target. Wentz should know this.

I think TY ran the play called but the D broke down and Wentz saw the opening for TY to keep running. TY DID pull up and they were off on their read.

TY just didnt read what Wentz did. Wentz saw the correct read. TY missed it. Otherwise it was a TD

Do the folks that think TY was at fault think that Wentz is an accurate QB? Because that, to me, it what is at issue-not any one play. The guy is inaccurate. It can be overcome but it will be difficult over 4 straight games. Some quarterbacks (Manning,Luck and many others), when they throw the ball, you have the feeling good things are about to happen. With Wentz, I have no freakin idea what is about to happen. Maybe a throw for the ages, maybe a throw that just sucks. Bugs me.

I dont think TY was at fault. I think it was just mis communication between the two. They were both right. They were just on different pages

I wouldn't argue on this play. Overall how do you see Wentz' accuracy? Am I to harsh?

I see a guy who listens to the media and when things go bad Like the 23 passes in a row game. He hears it and over corrects. He was very very good in the Arizona game just the week before

The whole team was off last week. Virtual meetings. covid. etc. On Tues or whatever day. Frank called the whole team together and chewed some ass for not focusing and making a bunch of mental mistakes. He almost never does this so it must have been bad.

Carson didnt get to practice last week which shouldnt be an issue. But they game plan they installed was for Sam and I just gotta believe they kept that game plan in place even with Wentz returning, because they were still not 100% sure until Sunday that he could play.

Being anxious not knowing if he was going to get cleared and having covid whether he had no symptoms, or mild or whatever still takes its toll on you.

I have been clear for over a week now but still feel foggy sometimes.

There were a ton of things that went into the last game. and the criticism came and was just. But just the week before when he played with 5 backups on the oline and took the team on a couple of great drives and just an overall good game.

I will agree he is not where he needs to be yet but i think he will get there.

I think having Campbell back will help. If only to take the pressure off of Pitman and TY.

i would also like to see Frank put more weapons on the field for him. Why is Mack never active? He would at the very least give us another receiving threat and the ability to put 2 RB on the field at the same time JT/Hines. JT/Mack. Mack/Hines

Also the TE position on this team sucks. Doyle is banged up Mo can not me depended on to do much and the rookie has a long ways to go.

I really hope Parris can get back this week and have a playoff run. I think this team will look a lot different when he is.

So no the criticism is warranted. Some people on here can only live game to game. If we win he's great if we lose he sucks. No middle ground and not looking at all the circumstances surrounding the game

And then there are those that bitch no matter what. HA

JMO Pete

The frustrating thing about Wentz is that, in the same game, he can demonstrate both pinpoint accuracy and unnerving inconsistency.

He isn’t a Quarterback who thrives under pressure, standing tall in the pocket to deliver pinpoint strikes with defenders hanging all over him.

But, then again, how many of those are there?

If he’s going to excel, Chris Ballard needs to add a few things to the roster. He needs to find a true bookend LT, an upgrade over Glowinski, the next TY Hilton, and a weapon at TE.

I think that Wentz has the talent to take us to the promised land. But, he isn’t good enough to pick us up and carry us there.

ty's job is to get open. he did it.


wentz's job is to throw him the ball. he didn't do that.


just throw him the fucking ball. i understand a wr and qb not being on the same page for an option route or if a player doesn't sit down in the zone and its incomplete.

ty was wide the fuck open. just throw it to him. put it right on his fucking numbers.

No I just watched hard knocks, showed a few different angles, TY threw his hand up he never slowed up he looked back and threw his hand up

He just missed the throw

But after watching hard knocks it was clear the Covid situation had them rattled

Saw this from on Baldy Breakdowns. TY did not slow down Wentz missed him. And a lot of throws in this game It's at 4:37

https://www.nfl.com/videos/how-colts...y-s-breakdowns

I watched it, too. Maybe they embellished it a little for tv, but they were definitely thrown off during the week.

As for the Hilton miss... I can't help but think back to the heyday and how Manning, Harrison, and eventually Wayne would do stuff like run the entire route tree pregame. Like a final tuning of what you know they grinded during the week.

Like, this is exactly how this route feels every time. This speed, this velocity, this timing. I wish our guys would be more like that. Maybe it's another way Manning spoiled us too much.

It totally is.

At the exact moment Hilton slows down, the video morphs into slow mo. Its not much of a slowdown, but it happens right around the time he raises his hand and waves for the ball

If TY slowed down at all, it was very minimal and probably due to the fact that he was so wide open that he was trying to present an easier target.

The incompletion is still 99% on Wentz because when I player is that wide open you just make the easy completion instead of the perfect completion.

I think you have a bad camera angle just like I did at first Wentz threw a bad ball

These are the same exact conversations Eagles fans had about Wentz. He’s inaccurate, he’s a rollercoaster, it’s his line, it’s his receivers, etc.

Seems half of Twitter thinks he is the problem and the other half thinks the team needs to be better in some way.

Here is how I see it. Wentz was never known for his accuracy. He hovers around the 60-62 mark in completions. This was my main worry about getting him. I think accuracy is the most important QB trait. Wentz also holds the ball at about 2.5 seconds per snap. They puts him at the bottom of the league with some other QBs. Also, his mechanics are not pretty right now. You watch his lead foot and it is not pointing at his intended receivers. That throw to Hilton, foot was pointing at the logo in the center of the field. He then tries to compensate with arm strength and power through the bad mechanics. That’s why the throw went over his head, there was no touch on the throw. Finally, his decision making is pretty bad. Especially when he scrambled out of the pocket. The TD to Hilton was pure luck, he should have thrown to an open Doyle underneath. He should have ran when he tried that cross body throw to Big Mo. he has kept his int’s down, although he does have some fumbles.

The receivers do need to improve. They are apparently one of the bottom groups in the entire NFL in creating separation from the defender. Like bottom three. That is a tough crew for an inaccurate QB to work with.

Things in his favor. The defense is the highest turnover defense in the entire league. So opportunities happen all the time. He has a top ten oline and the top running game in the league.

When it comes down to it, can Wentz be consistent enough to win a Super Bowl? He doesn’t seem to elevate his teammates but in fact needs all the pieces in place for him to excel.

If Reich can't fix his mechanics, they need to move on. That foot thing was a huge problem in his disastrous 2020 campaign. All the physical gifts in the world will not make up for poor execution and bad mechanics.

I think not practicing really hurt Wentz, what I like is he’s gamer he seems to step up vs tough teams

He may not be the most accurate but him improvising is hard to defend

I think we’ll see his best football in the playoffs

I'm willing to gamble that the biggest problem with Wentz is he needs a Reich to keep his mechanics in check.... he had way too much time in Philly w/out Reich to develop some really bad habits.... you can see this drift in from time to time and then there goes the accuracy. Lack of practice/reps in preseason/early season and last week I think have an impact. This is why I think next season is the Wentz-as-a-finished-product. Willing to hold my venom until then.