Doyle on Kaepernick
 

Doyel: Colin Kaepernick is more dangerous than Deshaun Watson or Tyreek Hill?

Fuck Kaepernick and all of his propaganda bullshit. This idiot compared the NFL Draft combine process to slavery, WTF!!!! Wouldn't want his sorry ass on the Colts that's for damn sure.

Didn’t he blow off a special workout set up by the NFL for him only?

Does he even WANT to play?

Kap is a douchebag for sure but at this point I’d like to see some team try to sign him for 2 reasons-

1. I honestly don’t believe he’d sign somewhere just to be a backup. I think he feels like he deserves to be a starter and that’s not true by a long shot. That wasn’t true already the last season he played.

2. If someone genuinely tries to give him a job, if nothing else, it will shut up guys like Doyle and Florio from sobbing about how wronged he was. And that seems like it’s constant these days.

So offer the man a contract Jim.

Yep, he blew off the workout too. As far as wanting to play, I doubt it. He just wants to remain relevant so he can keep spewing his BS.

Let those two slobber knockers cry, Kaep wasn't wronged, he flat out sucked. And with all the excess baggage that goes with him, NO Thanks! Just let him make more lies for Netflix films.

Wow, but its ok for watson and hill to have jobs, because they just abuse, beat or act as sexual predators.

Kaepernick doesn't get to dictate his terms. He could take it or leave it.

I never said that.

Yeah, I know. Thats what the article is about. Go read it

well, I read it, and I still think Doyel is the biggest tool in journalism. Kaep Isn't out of the league because he is terrifying as a person. His ability to play quarterback is terrifying for the GM who would take a risk on him. That said, i wish some sucker of a GM would sin the guy to end all the shit show that it has become.

I did read it. Watson and Hill are damn good players, and NFL teams will always give those guys opportunities. Not saying it is the right thing, but that is what it is. Kaep is not a good player, therefore NFL teams don't give a rat's ass about him. Make no mistake about it, Kaep, even with all of his baggage would be in the NFL if he was as good as Watson or Hill, but he just fucking isn't, not even close.

Right, he blew off the special workout session that the NFL set up SOLELY FOR HIM to showcase his talent to every team in the league. And he did it like an hour before the workout was scheduled to begin.

He either doesn’t actually want to play or he’s so arrogant that he wants the NFL to cater to him, which they aren’t going to do. Nor should they.

Either way, he looks terrible.

Adrian Peterson, Tyreek Hill, Ezekiel Elliot, Deshaun Watson, they got second chances because they were good.

Ray Rice, Chad Wheeler, Greg Hardy, those guys didn’t get second chances because they weren’t good enough anymore to be worth the hassle.

It’s really pretty simple.

If Kap was good enough, he’d have a job.

So being a wife beater is ok if it gets your team to the super bowl, got it.

More or less, yes.

Make no mistake about it, Kap would still be in the league if he had never kneeled. If you don’t believe that you are lying to yourself. He committed the ultimate sin to a large portion of the NFL base. He’d have been better to brag about grabbing women by the pussy or beating them. That’s forgivable.

Didn’t Kap make a super bowl? So beating women is not as bad as calling out racial injustice. Pretty much what Doyle is saying.

Why do you guys insist on doing this?

I made no comment on whether what Kap did was as bad as what anyone else did. I made no comment AT ALL about that.

Yet, you want to imply that I’m saying kneeling for the anthem is worse then domestic violence.

It’s REALLY annoying and it makes it look like you have nothing else to offer. That you really have no argument beyond an emotional response.

It’s really really simple-Kap would be in the NFL if he was good enough to be worth the blowback a team would get for signing him.

That’s the bottom line.

You can have whatever opinion you want about whether that blowback is warranted or not.

Its because virtue signaling is all they have. Bottom line is Kaep sucks at QB or he would be playing football. The NFL is a business and if he was good enough to be in the limelight, he would be. Sometimes the answer is so simple that others just can't accept it without injecting their feelz into it, like their feelings are important. News flash, they're not when it comes to the bottom line.

So did a 28-year-old Trent Dilfer with Tampa Bay. The very next season he was backing up Matt Hasselbeck in Seattle. And he remained a backup until he retired at 35. Kaepernick played well for about a season-and-a-half. His success diminished when that loaded SF team started losing pieces and then he got injured.

He could not win the starting job over Blaine Gabbert. Blaine Gabbert then played horribly and Kaepernick got another shot. Team continued to suck with him at QB. The next season, SF was done with both of these guys and brought in Garoppolo.

If the dude actually wanted to play football, that's one thing. The private workout thing shows he didn't really want to play. It was for publicity and when their crew wasn't going to be able to go in their and film their tv commercial, they bailed.

One of the comments on that article was on point:

"Guy complains about being unemployed. Guy decides to skip job interview."

Yep you nailed it. Which is exactly the point of the article. In a league starving for QBs a guy that would be at worst a very good backup was essentially blacklisted by a certain demographic for the sin of high lighting racial injustices in this country. Yet that same demographic will gladly cheer for a woman beater or a pussy grabber - as long as they don’t bring up race and are “good enough”. That’s essentially the point of the article- yet the majority of the responses are on how bad Kap is as a QB, which is complete BS compared to what else is in the league. But I don’t expect much acknowledgement of that from most on here - because it makes them feel same and secure to say it isn’t about race, just performance.

Please your pussy is so sensitive you can’t acknowledge race has a bearing in Kap not playing football, yet others are fragile. Fuck off snowflake

I don’t think anyone claims Kap is a superstar, but that same Blaine Gabbert is still in the league and he’s never been as good as Kap was. Kap at a minimum would be a high level backup. He’s not for only one reason - he kneeled and certain people didn’t like it. That’s it. The rest is complete BS trying not to acknowledge the truth.

As far as the workout, the fact the NFL was offering a workout (not teams) and they settled with him tells you the reality of the situation. I mean the NFL does that with all backup level QBs right? Yeah, exactly.

It’s not racist to be offended by someone kneeling for the national anthem.

Yeah, Gabbert has a desire to play football and accepted his role as a backup. Kaepernick did not. He gained more fame and money and influence as a professional activist than he could've every dreamed making in the NFL.

Why would he want to go be a backup QB somewhere? He didn't want to.

People seem to misremember that Kaepernick went from the Superbowl to NCF championship to protesting to being cut in back to back to back years. That's not what happened. After the '13 NFCC his play significantly regressed in '14 and then he was so god awful in '15 that he was benched for Blaine Gabbert halfway through the season. How bad do you have to be to get benched for Gabbert? Then the following preseason is when all of the protesting started when BTW he was still a back up to Gabbert.

Another thing that never comes up that IMO has a lot of do with no one signing him is how much money did he want back then and does he want now? We know that he walked away from ~$15M when he opted out of the final year for his contract with SF in '17, so one can presume that he thought he should still be a starter in the league or at least make starter like money. If you have a guy who hasn't been any good for 3 years asking for starter like money then you're probably not going to bring him in to begin with. Then add in the head ache and media shit storm that's going to come in with him, and you're not going to touch him.

As for now, it's been reported that he wanted $20M to play for the AAF. No fucking way even a bad NFL GM will give him that kind of money. Can you imagine how pissed off we'd be if Ballard signed a back QB who hadn't been in the league for 5 years and played well for 8 instead of putting that cap hit towards LT, WR, CB, etc.?

Should have all been very easy for the league to prove how much he sucked and didn’t want to play if he was constantly turning down offers. Instead, in a very high profile case they gave him a very big settlement.

Exactly. After reading the article it's obvious Kaepernick didn't actually want to work out in front of all of the NFL teams, he wanted to make it look like the NFL wasn't giving him a chance so he could cry discrimination louder. He had all of these over and above demands that the NFL agreed to meet, and when they unexpectedly did then he makes even more demands to the point of ridiculousness so the NFL bailed. He tried to change the NFL's standard waiver on the fly for fucks sake. No way any of the NFL lawyers would sign off on that.

Lee Atwater had a fairly famous quote that I believe applies to what I believe about the situation. It goes right along with the cries about “erasing history” when taking down monuments to confederate soldiers while also passing anti-CRT legislation to make sure you control how history is taught. The venn diagram for those three things would nearly be a circle. And to be fair, some of it isn’t blatant racism, it’s willful indifference. Willful indifference on the treatment of fellow Americans by people so caught up in “patriotism” they foam at the mouth when someone quietly kneels.

There are black guys who knelt during the anthem who are still playing today. It’s not about race for most people.

World War 2 was just a generation ago, Vietnam and Korea less than a generation. A LOT of people had family members or know people who fought and died in those wars. The flag means a whole hell of a lot to them. Same for people who are in the military now.

It’s pretty unfair to label all those people as racist.

I’m a vet and I can tell you military status has very little to do with your view on kneeling. In fact a poll on VA.org shows 49% to 45% don’t view kneeling as disrespectful. As I’ve pointed out, the cross over between those who think kneeling is disrespectful, those who think removing confederate statues is wrong (people who killed US soldiers), and those supporting anti-CRT legislation is very, very high. That same group also largely supported a president who started making a name for himself by using race and you can clearly see it with their current politicians doing just what Atwater said. So it’s not about race, but coincidentally they keep consistently coming out on the side that racists do.

And you know what else isn’t really that long ago? The civil rights movement, Jim Crow, and lynchings. But that same group pretends that’s ancient history, so spare me on WWII - where African Americans were sent to die and then denied GI Bills their white counterparts received. If you care about the flag but not the people it represents you aren’t a fucking patriot. Doesn’t make anyone racist, just indifferent and selfish.

So a majority of the armed forces views the kneeling as disrespectful. That’s what I said, I believe.

You can make the jump all you want that racism is mainly to blame, but that’s your opinion. Reality says differently. The poll you cited says differently.

Also, you can stop bringing up Trump. I hated that jackass, but he has nothing to do with what we’re discussing, except for your desire to connect him and his supporters with racism.

Well I would say that’s the nail in the coffin. 25 teams were there. Bet they loved flying out there for nothing.

Also, CRT is Marxist inspired horseshit that has no business being taught in our schools, except maybe colleges.

CRT has very little to do with history. It, by its own definition, seeks to examine the societal and institutional dynamics that created what THEY view as a fundamentally and irredeemably racist society.

I don’t think this country is fundamentally and irredeemably racist and I sure as hell don’t want to teach our kids that.

No 49% don’t view it as disrespectful, 45% do. So most don’t have a problem with kneeling. Although it’s close. The point being, military membership actually tells you very little about a persons stance on the issue. You are wrong. Your political leanings are a much better indicator.

Reality says that beating a woman or fondling one is less of an issue than being the face of racial protests - the point of the article. Don’t bring of Watson or Hill, research some of the lesser known guys who still get chances. Reality says that if Kap had never knelt he would have still played in the NFL. Of course reality says all kinds of things about race in this country that the anti-kneeling crowd don’t want to address. Or they want to address as a one off individual issue - disconnected from all others. Atwater’s quote is the exact method of the current Republican Party. You can be ignorant and think Republican politicians just always come down on the same side of issues as racists if you want. As I said, doesn’t make you racist. Just willfully ignorant or selfish, IMO. You didn’t like a trump? Great. But again, being a trump supporter is an absolutely great indicator of where someone falls on this issue. Try to compartmentalize it all you want, but there is pretty big trend there. I’m not surprised some want to ignore it.

CRT is a college level theory looking at how race and our institutions are intertwined. Your description sounds like it’s right off FOX News. Not surprisingly the Republican Party has their followers believing it is regularly taught in grade schools. It’s racist propaganda horseshit. Again, Atwater 100%. Not surprisingly the same group that cried we were “erasing history” by removing statues (of people who fought against our ohh so precious flag to maintain slavery) are now whitewashing history.

I’m sure you don’t want your kids taught that slavery was enshrined in the constitution or the reasons for the 3/5ths compromise, about the trail of tears, black Wall Street or the Tulsa riots. You want to pretend race isn’t a historical issue? While lecturing me on not how long ago WWII is? We wouldn’t want to make white kids uncomfortable would we? But black kids should suck it up when their community CELEBRATES a traitorous confederate soldier who fought to keep them enslaved. I’m sure race doesn’t enter into that logic, does it?

We went through why players tend to get second chances already in this thread. It has more to do with how talented you are than anything. That’s reality, regardless of your opinion.

And again, the league went out of their way to set up a second chance for Kap and he blew it off. Why won’t you address that?

I was paraphrasing on the description but I got it from critical race theory-an introduction, a book written by 2 people who were involved in its founding. And my description wasn’t THAT different from yours, so I don’t know where you got the Fox News bit.

And yes, CRT has been taught in colleges for a long time now. The bills I’ve read seek to prevent it being taught earlier.

I’m not sure it’s necessary, but a lot of stuff gets passed that isn’t necessary.

As for the 3/5ths compromise, the trail of tears, and the Tulsa race riots, I learned all about that stuff when I went to school in the 90’s, so I’m not sure what exactly is being “whitewashed”?