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JAFF 02-18-2021 02:05 PM

Cap news
 
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...t-180-million/

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Last year, as part of the negotiations that allowed pro football to proceed in a pandemic, the NFL and NFL Players Association agreed that the 2021 salary cap would be no lower than $175 million. They have now agreed it will be a little higher than that.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the league has advised all teams that the NFL and NFLPA have agreed to bump the minimum salary cap per team to $180 million.


“This is not the final Salary Cap for the 2021 League year, which will be set following review of final 2020 revenue figures and other audit and accounting adjustments,” the memo explains. “This agreement simply increases the minimum 2021 Salary Cap by $5 million per club, from $175 million to $180 million.”

The memo provides no indication as to when the salary cap will be set. The uncertainty makes it hard for teams to create budgets, negotiate contracts, and target potential free agents.

Some around the league expect the final number to be $180 million. The increase of the minimum to $180 million could now make that higher.

Racehorse 02-18-2021 05:41 PM

Team owners want to make as much money as they can, but they don't want to break up their teams for a temporary situation. I would guess the cap will be closer to $190M, because many teams are over that number now.

JAFF 02-18-2021 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 187242)
Team owners want to make as much money as they can, but they don't want to break up their teams for a temporary situation. I would guess the cap will be closer to $190M, because many teams are over that number now.

The players want a lower cap, makes the teams renegotiate and spend money on players that arent rookies

Racehorse 02-18-2021 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 187250)
The players want a lower cap, makes the teams renegotiate and spend money on players that arent rookies

Makes no sense

JAFF 02-18-2021 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 187268)
Makes no sense

If the cap is lower, teams will be forced to renegotiate or cut players who can now renegotiate their deals to get under the cap

Puck 02-18-2021 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 187271)
If the cap is lower, teams will be forced to renegotiate or cut players who can now renegotiate their deals to get under the cap

But then other teams have no money to sign them

JAFF 02-18-2021 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 187272)
But then other teams have no money to sign them

Its all funny money. You shift money forward, call it bonuses, bullshit highway robbery bonus, but the players ring money out of the owners and gain years on the contracts that are not guaranteed but they have more security, cutting them gets expensive

Plus, while I can only guess, the NFLPA loves fucking the owners when they can. Ive been on the players end as an employee and making the bosses squirm when they get over their head feels good

Racehorse 02-18-2021 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 187275)
Its all funny money. You shift money forward, call it bonuses, bullshit highway robbery bonus, but the players ring money out of the owners and gain years on the contracts that are not guaranteed but they have more security, cutting them gets expensive

Plus, while I can only guess, the NFLPA loves fucking the owners when they can. Ive been on the players end as an employee and making the bosses squirm when they get over their head feels good

Makes even less sense now.

Spike 02-18-2021 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 187275)
Its all funny money. You shift money forward, call it bonuses, bullshit highway robbery bonus, but the players ring money out of the owners and gain years on the contracts that are not guaranteed but they have more security, cutting them gets expensive

Plus, while I can only guess, the NFLPA loves fucking the owners when they can. Ive been on the players end as an employee and making the bosses squirm when they get over their head feels good

Jaff, you must be drinking some damn good liquor. A lower cap hurts players, it doesn't help them.

JAFF 02-18-2021 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 187281)
Makes even less sense now.

Nothing makes sense about NFL and money. How much money was Brees suppose to make but he renegotiated it to save them from cap hell.

A lower cap allows players on a short contract to negotiate more years into the future when there will be more money when the fans come back. The pros get paid and the rookies get shit. They dont belong to the union, so what are they going to do?

Since when have the owners used good sense when it comes to spending. They wanna win, you keep vets. Renegotiate and move on

Ironshaft 02-19-2021 10:02 AM

At the end of the day, if the salary cap for 2021 is $190m, then there are 13 teams that basically have zero cap space to sign anyone not already under contract, their 2021 rookie class, 2021 practice squad and have some space for in season signings due to injury.

No money to sign their departing UFAs.
No money to sign any new UFA free agents.
Hard to even RFA tag any of their folks.

Sure, it is easy to say "it is all funny money" as if pushing a ton of cap space into the future is easy for a lot of teams to do. It is not. Unlike when congress deficit spends, the bill comes due in the NFL.

Back of the napkin math says that there is about $620m in cap space to chase after among all teams combined in 2021 with the cap at $190m.

According to Spotrac, in 2021, the top paid 32 free agents counted a total of $452m against the 2020 salary cap.

So just the top 32 free agents account for 73% of the available 2021 free cap space if they all signed contracts the exact same as they had in 2020.

Had the salary cap gone as projected pre-COVID and been set at $210m for 2021, there would be an additional $640m in free cap space. COVID basically cut the free cap space in half for 2021.

Something has got to give.

My guess is that what is going to give are the player's contracts as free agents in 2021 and perhaps beyond.

I think good players are going to be signed to much smaller contracts than they hoped for. Lots and lots of "1 year prove it deals" even for good players as they hope the market improves in 2022.

A smaller cap is absolutely not something the players union wants.

TheMugwump 02-19-2021 01:48 PM

No matter what the cap is, $170 million or $190 million, the Colts still are one of the top three or four teams in terms of how much they have available, even after the Wentz deal, right?

Lazy minds want to know...

Chromeburn 02-19-2021 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMugwump (Post 187322)
No matter what the cap is, $170 million or $190 million, the Colts still are one of the top three or four teams in terms of how much they have available, even after the Wentz deal, right?

Lazy minds want to know...

Either way we are fine. But a lower cap means there will be more FA for us to pick from. I doubt we spend all our money. Just not Ballard’s style.

Ironshaft 02-21-2021 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMugwump (Post 187322)
No matter what the cap is, $170 million or $190 million, the Colts still are one of the top three or four teams in terms of how much they have available, even after the Wentz deal, right?

Lazy minds want to know...

After absorbing Wentz's cap hit, the Colts sit at #4 with $50m of usable cap space for free agents.

#1 = JAX = $77m free agent cap space
#2 = NYJ = $72m free agent cap space
#3 = NE = $65m free agent cap space

#5 = CIN = $42m free agent cap space

In fact, the only other 2020 playoff team in the top ten is WAS at #6 with $39m in free agent cap space.

Lots of free agents....not lots of cap space they will be chasing.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 03-10-2021 12:30 PM

The NFL has officially set the 2021 cap at $182.5M.

The Colts have until May 3 to exercise Big Q's fifth year option. Looks like the option will be valued at $13.7M based on him reaching the Pro Bowl multiple years.

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/sta...56868403023873

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The NFL just informed teams the 2021 salary cap will be $182.5 million per club, source said.
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/sta...74406126059522

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The NFL reminded clubs today they have until May 3 to exercise fifth-year options on their first-round picks from the 2018 draft — and the value of those options is based on performance, with players selected to 2+ Pro Bowls getting the 2021 franchise tag number.
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/sta...74957278576643

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This was a change in the 2020 CBA that will most benefit the likes of Quenton Nelson and Minkah Fitzpatrick, who are multi-time Pro Bowl selections.

Ironshaft 03-10-2021 12:38 PM

That is lower than had been anticipated. The expectation would be at $187.5m or $190m.

That means that as of this moment, there is only about $500m in free cap space that all the free agents are going to be chasing after.

This free agency class is missing out on $880m of additional free cap space had the cap ended up at $210m which was anticipated pre-COVID.

9 teams are currently over the cap and will need to make cuts to even sign their draft picks.

Another 3 teams are under the cap but don't have enough to sign their draft picks, spots 52 & 53 on roster and practice squad. They will need to make cuts to do so.

Another 4 teams have enough to sign everyone with just a bit left over to perhaps sign an RFA/ERFA tag or three.

And another 5 teams have between $15m and $22m in free cap space to sign veteran free agents meaning 1.5 quality guys or 3-5 tier 2 veteran free agents.

In the end, there are only 11 teams in the league with sufficient free cap space ($25m+ ) to be real "players" in free agency this season.

JAX = $64m (But who wants to play for that disfunction?)
NE = $64m (So it was all Brady?)
NYJ = $63m (East coast big city disfunction)
IND = $42m (Only AFC playoff team on the list)
CIN = $38m (Up and coming?)
WAS = $33m (Only NFC playoff team on the list)
LVR = $27m (Desert disfunction)
MIA = $26m (Almost Caribbean disfunction)
DEN = $26m (Rocky mountain disfunction)
HOU = $25m (Gosh, I wish BOB was still in charge)
LAC = $25m (West coast disfunction)

Good golly! 10 AFC teams and only 1 NFC team on that list. I wonder which conference all the free agents are heading to?

Of course, teams can start resorting to using the type of deals only congress can make but in the NFL, you actually have to pay back the debt and that can really screw you going forward.

It is seriously a good off season to have your team's GM be a frugal bastard.

Racehorse 03-10-2021 06:53 PM

IronShaft makes me miss Sherck's number crunching.

Ironshaft 03-11-2021 09:51 AM

Article from Stampede Blue (located here) makes the case that with normal 2021 cap needs (rookie class, practice squad, etc) AND reserving money for Nelson's 5th year option and extensions of Leonard and Smith in 2022, the Colts have about $18m in 2021 cap space that they can carry over into 2022 to devote to new LONG TERM veteran free agent signings.

I could quibble a bit with the numbers (I think that number is closer to $22-$23m) but this gives you an idea of how much the Colts can spend on new LONG TERM deals for veteran free agents.

If we are talking just one year contracts, then we can devote a lot more cap space to veterans in 2021 knowing they will fall off the books for 2022 and we then sign extensions for Smith and Leonard at the end of this season.

But if we are looking at locking up a valuable piece moving forward, then we can sign one super stud ($15m plus per year) or two studs (around $10m per year) and a couple of tier 3 guys.

Just puts it in perspective. Unless Ballard starts backloading contracts which would be WAY out of character, then while I hope we can hit on a few veteran free agents, I don't know that I think we will see a big splurg in veteran free agent signing this off season (unless the price is really depressed due to lack of money and way too many guys chasing it).

Chaka 03-11-2021 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 188394)
Article from Stampede Blue (located here) makes the case that with normal 2021 cap needs (rookie class, practice squad, etc) AND reserving money for Nelson's 5th year option and extensions of Leonard and Smith in 2022, the Colts have about $18m in 2021 cap space that they can carry over into 2022 to devote to new LONG TERM veteran free agent signings.

I could quibble a bit with the numbers (I think that number is closer to $22-$23m) but this gives you an idea of how much the Colts can spend on new LONG TERM deals for veteran free agents.

If we are talking just one year contracts, then we can devote a lot more cap space to veterans in 2021 knowing they will fall off the books for 2022 and we then sign extensions for Smith and Leonard at the end of this season.

But if we are looking at locking up a valuable piece moving forward, then we can sign one super stud ($15m plus per year) or two studs (around $10m per year) and a couple of tier 3 guys.

Just puts it in perspective. Unless Ballard starts backloading contracts which would be WAY out of character, then while I hope we can hit on a few veteran free agents, I don't know that I think we will see a big splurg in veteran free agent signing this off season (unless the price is really depressed due to lack of money and way too many guys chasing it).

Not sure what info the author of that article is relying upon, but I think he's severely underestimating the cost of extending Leonard and Smith. $10M a year for Smith? I'd guess more like $16-$18M. Leonard at $17.5M is likely low too - more like $20M in my view. And the Colts might try to extend Nelson too, so the $14.5M might be low too (and for the record, I think the actual number is more like $13.8M, so again I'm not so sure about this author's info).

All of these contracts could be financially engineered to minimize the immediate cap impact, but that sort of thing hasn't been Ballard's custom and practice in the past. Of course, he hasn't really needed to worry about cap issues in the past, so I don't feel confident in saying he wouldn't ever use such techniques. However, as others have discussed here, that sort of thing comes with potentially serious future consequences.

smitty46953 03-16-2021 10:42 PM

Kyle Rapoza @ColtscapKyle

Colts cap space is at $39.7 million accounting for the RFA tenders to Pascal, Cox and Odum (assuming all sign it).

:cool:

Ironshaft 03-22-2021 10:00 AM

Cap Space as of 22 March 2021:

15 teams are basically "out" of cap space to do anything except sign their draft class, practice squad and in-season activity space:

AFC: HOU, PIT, BUF

NFC: SF, ATL, SEA, GB, MIN, ARI, TB, NYG, CHI, NO, PHI, LAR

If any of those teams want to sign any remaining veteran free agents, they will either need to cut a current contract, restructure a current contract or back-load a new veteran contract.

Another 7 teams have less than $10m in cap space to sign veteran free agents:

AFC: BAL, CLE, TEN, MIA, LVR

NFC: DAL, DET

So, 10 teams are basically all that are left to have cap space to sign multiples of the remaining veteran free agents:

01 JAX = $35m
02 IND = $32m
03 DEN = $31m
04 NYJ = $29m
05 LAC = $26m
06 CAR = $22m
07 NEP = $19m
08 CIN = $19m
09 KC = $15m
10 WAS = $14m

As with Xavier Rhodes' contract, I think a TON of quality veterans are going to be playing on low-end, 1-year deals in 2021 with the hope that the cap raises in 2022 and more cap is available for larger deals.

Hopefully, it is time for Ballard to shine.

Racehorse 03-22-2021 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 189505)
Cap Space as of 22 March 2021:

15 teams are basically "out" of cap space to do anything except sign their draft class, practice squad and in-season activity space:

AFC: HOU, PIT, BUF

NFC: SF, ATL, SEA, GB, MIN, ARI, TB, NYG, CHI, NO, PHI, LAR

If any of those teams want to sign any remaining veteran free agents, they will either need to cut a current contract, restructure a current contract or back-load a new veteran contract.

Another 7 teams have less than $10m in cap space to sign veteran free agents:

AFC: BAL, CLE, TEN, MIA, LVR

NFC: DAL, DET

So, 10 teams are basically all that are left to have cap space to sign multiples of the remaining veteran free agents:

01 JAX = $35m
02 IND = $32m
03 DEN = $31m
04 NYJ = $29m
05 LAC = $26m
06 CAR = $22m
07 NEP = $19m
08 CIN = $19m
09 KC = $15m
10 WAS = $14m

As with Xavier Rhodes' contract, I think a TON of quality veterans are going to be playing on low-end, 1-year deals in 2021 with the hope that the cap raises in 2022 and more cap is available for larger deals.

Hopefully, it is time for Ballard to shine.

I feel that was his plan all along. Someone’s getting cut and we will be the best chance they have to regain the lost contract and have a shot at competing for playoff wins.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 09-03-2021 10:35 AM

The Colts were actually over the cap to begin this season. The Colts and Ryan Kelly agreed to a salary restructure to gain a little cap space.


https://twitter.com/FieldYates/statu...70304057315328

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Teams getting books in order for the season:

The Colts converted $9M of C Ryan Kelly's salary into a signing bonus, creating $6.75M in cap space.

The Raiders converted $12M of DE Yannick Ngakoue's salary into a signing bonus (& added 3 void years), creating $9.6M of cap space.
https://twitter.com/ColtscapKyle/sta...84658723065867

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After the Ryan Kelly restructure the Colts have right about $3 million in cap space, which should be just enough to navigate the season.

Oldcolt 09-03-2021 12:12 PM

According to Sportrac we have 7 million in cap space. The reason they had to redo this is that there was about $30 million less money to spend this year than had been projected due to loss from the COVID season

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 12-15-2021 06:03 AM

Looks like the salary cap is increasing by $25.7M next year - it will mark the first time the cap will surpass $200M.

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/sta...79040903036931

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As expected, the NFL informed clubs the 2022 salary cap is projected to be $208.2 million, per source.
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/sta...80124547604481

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NFL salary cap per club by year:

2013: $123M
2014: $133M
2015: $143.28M
2016: $155.27M
2017: $167M
2018: $177.2M
2019: $188.2M
2020: $198.2M
2021: $182.5M
2022: $208.2M*

*Projected to hit maximum agreed to by NFL and NFLPA

Racehorse 12-15-2021 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 215579)
Looks like the salary cap is increasing by $25.7M next year - it will mark the first time the cap will surpass $200M.

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/sta...79040903036931



https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/sta...80124547604481

Where does this put us?

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 12-15-2021 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 215584)
Where does this put us?


The Colts will have roughly $57M in cap space and will need to sign about 20 players to fill out the roster. Will need to do something with LT and RG - Fisher, Glowinski and Reed will all be Free Agents and would require a new contract if the Colts decide to retain one or all of them.

Colts And Orioles 12-15-2021 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 215579)



Looks like the salary cap is increasing by $25.7M next year - it will mark the first time the cap will surpass $200M.


https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/sta...79040903036931


https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/sta...80124547604481



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Good info.

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 215584)



Where does this put us ???



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Good question.

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 215588)



The Colts will have roughly $57M in cap space and will need to sign about 20 players to fill out the roster. They need to do something with LT and RG - Fisher, Glowinski, and Reed will all be Free Agents, and would require a new contract if the Colts decide to retain one or all of them.



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Racehorse 12-15-2021 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 215588)
The Colts will have roughly $57M in cap space and will need to sign about 20 players to fill out the roster. Will need to do something with LT and RG - Fisher, Glowinski and Reed will all be Free Agents and would require a new contract if the Colts decide to retain one or all of them.

So, about $3M per player. :eek:

YDFL Commish 12-15-2021 06:16 PM

I'm just spitballing here, but Big Q will get an extension of 4-5 years @ 17.5 to 18 million $$$ per year with at least#35 million guaranteed.


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