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rm1369 12-17-2022 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 254608)
The problem is Reich had pretty much lost the team and was a lame duck.

Also just speculating, but Irsay probably wanted some real answers as to why the highest paid OL in the league that he was paying for was performing as the worst in the league. When Reich and Ballard couldn't supply him with any real answer other than trying to blow the same smoke up his ass they had been giving the public (OL really isn't that bad and getting better BS), he eventually grew tired of it and decided to bring in someone from the outside who could give him a real answer.

If Reich lost the team Saturday sure as fuck hasn’t found it. The problem was the same as it is every year - expected dependence on rookies and bottom basement vets at critical positions. It’s happens every year under Ballard. Throw in everyone adjusting to a new QB again. The early season ends up being treated as tryouts while the team searches for combinations or enough rookie development to work. Reich hadn’t lost the team at 3-3-1, Irsay bowed down to fans screaming for Ehlinger and then when that didn’t work he finally gave in to the fans scapegoating Reich. Now they are even worse off.

CletusPyle 12-18-2022 11:22 AM

After a good night's sleep, I am still pissed off about this pathetic collapse yesterday afternoon! There is no excuse for it, Colts are quickly becoming the Washington Generals of the NFL, only thing missing was a Viking player throwing a bucket full of confetti in Jeff Saturday's face!:mad:

Colts And Orioles 12-18-2022 11:22 AM

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I would like to thank all of my fellow Colts fans here on Colt Freaks, whom are as loyal as they come.

You all continued posting in this game thread and rooting for them throughout yesterday's historic collapse, and in spite of the fact that it was the Colts' 6th loss in their last 7 games after starting the season at a respectable 3-2-1.

If the Colts went 2-15 for 6 consecutive years, I don't think that anybody here would ever dream of changing teams and adopting a new favorite ...... the Colts are as ingrained in us as is our biological blood-type.

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nate505 12-18-2022 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 254642)
After a good night's sleep, I am still pissed off about this pathetic collapse yesterday afternoon! There is no excuse for it, Colts are quickly becoming the Washington Generals of the NFL, only thing missing was a Viking player throwing a bucket full of confetti in Jeff Saturday's face!:mad:

I always defended the Saturday hire, but man alive, he should be roasted alive today for the amount of times the ball was thrown in the 2nd half yesterday.

When you're up 33 points, run the ball. Run it, run it, run it, run it, and run it some more. Especially when you have a guy at QB who absolutely sucks.

They passed it 18 times in the 2nd half, and 8 were incompletions. And some were within 5 minutes to go in the half, which gave Minnesota free time outs. The two passes after the interception in the 4th quarter was especially dumb.

omahacolt 12-18-2022 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 254606)
Reich did a good job considering the bs he had to work with at quarterback.

10-6 with Luck.

30-27-1 with the carousel that came after him.

Ballard is much more to blame for the downfall of this team than Reich. Reich was the one holding it together, as evidenced by the 1-4 record since he was fired.

Getting rid of Reich was a mistake.

i like reich and think he was a good coach but this team wasn't playing for him

i don't know we could have kept him. that said we wouldn't have lost that game yesterday

apballin 12-18-2022 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 254612)
If Reich lost the team Saturday sure as fuck hasn’t found it. The problem was the same as it is every year - expected dependence on rookies and bottom basement vets at critical positions. It’s happens every year under Ballard. Throw in everyone adjusting to a new QB again. The early season ends up being treated as tryouts while the team searches for combinations or enough rookie development to work. Reich hadn’t lost the team at 3-3-1, Irsay bowed down to fans screaming for Ehlinger and then when that didn’t work he finally gave in to the fans scapegoating Reich. Now they are even worse off.

Spot on!!! If I could thank this 1000 times I would. This is all on Irsay he wants to be in the headlines more than he wants to win. Hiring a guy with zero coaching experience is clown shit. The whole “good guy” draft blueprint sold tickets but that bullshit doesn’t win games. They let emotions get involved when it came to contracts and player retention or release and that’s not a recipe for winning. How do you justify Matt Pryor?? Mo Allie cox?? Hines? Marlon Mack got resigned because they liked him and he didn’t bitch when they drafted Taylor. Fuckin stupid, saved up free agent money all those years only to sign bullshit good guys. Highest paid line my ass, once again letting emotions take over Kelly has been shit since last year he’s hot shit this year but we already paid him so let’s try and force it!!! That seems to be the philosophy at every position.., once your paid you play hurt and force yourself onto the field and we’ll continue to play you until your contract is up even though you’re chopped liver (Matt Ryan, Ryan Kelly, Kenny Moore, Leonard, Cox) all have been clearly out played by their backups but it’s all about justifying the money

rm1369 12-18-2022 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 254646)
i like reich and think he was a good coach but this team wasn't playing for him

i don't know we could have kept him. that said we wouldn't have lost that game yesterday

I’m not sure I agree that Reich had lost the team. We’ve seen similar slow starts in other years followed by some pretty good play. I think it’s mostly the result of the QB carousel and Ballard’s constant reliance on bargain vets and rookies to fill obvious holes. I can understand the argument that a coach has a shelf life with a team before the team isn’t as inspired by them, but if you felt that was the case then you fire him at the end of the season. You don’t turn the franchise into a fucking circus and piss off your potential high level coaching candidates by meddling with who starts, and then hiring a HC and OC with zero experience. Even if you think Reich should have been fired, they fucked up the how and the when.

The worst part is, I expect Saturday to be the coach next season. Not because he’s shown anything to earn the job, but because Irsay has painted himself into a corner and will “need” to prove everyone wrong.

Chromeburn 12-18-2022 01:26 PM

Lost in all the ridiculousness was Dayo’s coming out party

Chromeburn 12-18-2022 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 254642)
After a good night's sleep, I am still pissed off about this pathetic collapse yesterday afternoon! There is no excuse for it, Colts are quickly becoming the Washington Generals of the NFL, only thing missing was a Viking player throwing a bucket full of confetti in Jeff Saturday's face!:mad:

They are a 4 win team. Of the 36 points, there was just one offensive TD. People need to accept this is a losing season. Things don’t get better after you fire your head coach and offensive coordinator.

Chromeburn 12-18-2022 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 254655)
I’m not sure I agree that Reich had lost the team. We’ve seen similar slow starts in other years followed by some pretty good play. I think it’s mostly the result of the QB carousel and Ballard’s constant reliance on bargain vets and rookies to fill obvious holes. I can understand the argument that a coach has a shelf life with a team before the team isn’t as inspired by them, but if you felt that was the case then you fire him at the end of the season. You don’t turn the franchise into a fucking circus and piss off your potential high level coaching candidates by meddling with who starts, and then hiring a HC and OC with zero experience. Even if you think Reich should have been fired, they fucked up the how and the when.

The worst part is, I expect Saturday to be the coach next season. Not because he’s shown anything to earn the job, but because Irsay has painted himself into a corner and will “need” to prove everyone wrong.

It doesn’t make sense. Unless you think the owner intentionally sabotaged the offense and hence the season to get a young QB of the future.

apballin 12-18-2022 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 254657)
They are a 4 win team. Of the 36 points, there was just one offensive TD. People need to accept this is a losing season. Things don’t get better after you fire your head coach and offensive coordinator.

Then why do it?

And if that’s the plan why keep sending Gilmore and Buckner out there?

ChoppedWood 12-18-2022 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 254658)
It doesn’t make sense. Unless you think the owner intentionally sabotaged the offense and hence the season to get a young QB of the future.

There was enough of a hurry up and shit the bed feeling to what we saw yesterday that I am inclined to think there's something to be said about the above.

Yesterday was insane, but in the end, the best thing that could have happened for the franchise yesterday, happened.

Oldcolt 12-18-2022 02:13 PM

Reich never established a winning culture here. Never. If he had we wouldn't have continually started the seasons he coached like we did. I am glad he is gone. I am just riding out this year, a year that went down the tubes with Reich as our head coach. I am actually really glad we lost this game. A win and we are drafting 15th, the loss and we are at 7. There is so much wrong with this team that it is a fools errand to try to point out any one thing as the culprit. We are a shit team this year but this being the NFL next year who knows?

apballin 12-18-2022 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 254664)
There was enough of a hurry up and shit the bed feeling to what we saw yesterday that I am inclined to think there's something to be said about the above.

Yesterday was insane, but in the end, the best thing that could have happened for the franchise yesterday, happened.

Sure a young QB let’s you sell “hope and potential “ for the next 3 years atleast

apballin 12-18-2022 02:20 PM

I wasn’t in on the game thread but did anyone notice the officials discuss a penalty with Ventrone and not Saturday? Who’s really the coach?

Racehorse 12-18-2022 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by nate505 (Post 254644)
I always defended the Saturday hire, but man alive, he should be roasted alive today for the amount of times the ball was thrown in the 2nd half yesterday.

When you're up 33 points, run the ball. Run it, run it, run it, run it, and run it some more. Especially when you have a guy at QB who absolutely sucks.

They passed it 18 times in the 2nd half, and 8 were incompletions. And some were within 5 minutes to go in the half, which gave Minnesota free time outs. The two passes after the interception in the 4th quarter was especially dumb.

It’s all about evaluating the players, not winning the games at this point.

ChaosTheory 12-18-2022 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 254657)
They are a 4 win team. Of the 36 points, there was just one offensive TD. People need to accept this is a losing season. Things don’t get better after you fire your head coach and offensive coordinator.

That jumped out to me. Highest scoring game of the season and your offense produced a single touchdown. Also, we had eight drives in the 2nd half because MIN kept scoring obviously. I want to say the average is like 12 per game. The number of plays on those drives were 4, 6, 3, 4, 3, 4, 5, and 3.

Not to excuse the defense, which was getting absolutely torched in the 2nd half... but our offense has consistently failed to compliment them. Yesterday was a whirlwind. They'd gash us down the field for a TD and you're like, ok what the fuck? Get to the sideline, regroup, figure some things out, grab a Gatora... DEFENSE! Back on the field!


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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 254658)
It doesn’t make sense. Unless you think the owner intentionally sabotaged the offense and hence the season to get a young QB of the future.

Ultimately, the intention doesn't matter. Tanking for a high draft pick, keeping fans in the stands, thinking he knows better than the coach... whatever the reason is... fucking with the on-field decisions took us down a much worse path.

And potential future prospects for FO, coaches, and players are going to be influenced by that.

ChoppedWood 12-18-2022 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 254667)
Sure a young QB let’s you sell “hope and potential “ for the next 3 years atleast

Yeah, I personally will be much more interested in watching a new fresh QB navigating the team than all these re-treads who you already sort of know the book on. It at least brings some energy that is severely lacking at present.

Racehorse 12-18-2022 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 254666)
Reich never established a winning culture here. Never. If he had we wouldn't have continually started the seasons he coached like we did. I am glad he is gone. I am just riding out this year, a year that went down the tubes with Reich as our head coach. I am actually really glad we lost this game. A win and we are drafting 15th, the loss and we are at 7. There is so much wrong with this team that it is a fools errand to try to point out any one thing as the culprit. We are a shit team this year but this being the NFL next year who knows?

I was a Frank fan, until I had to not be one. When the team stunk up the joint at the end of last year, I thought it was Wentz. However, it became obvious that Frank was the issue.

Chromeburn 12-18-2022 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 254663)
Then why do it?

And if that’s the plan why keep sending Gilmore and Buckner out there?

Players don’t want to tank. Why would you lose to try and get a guy that will replace you. Coaches don’t either because losing means they get fired. But if you remove certain pieces and cripple a team… you are just giving the fans what they want, plus you get into a position to grab a QB and maybe kick the tires on a outside the box coaching hire.

I mean we weren’t going to with the SB this year anyway. So just embrace the suck to try and get better. Do people mourn the loss of the ‘97 season or do they remember drafting Manning?

Chromeburn 12-18-2022 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 254673)
That jumped out to me. Highest scoring game of the season and your offense produced a single touchdown. Also, we had eight drives in the 2nd half because MIN kept scoring obviously. I want to say the average is like 12 per game. The number of plays on those drives were 4, 6, 3, 4, 3, 4, 5, and 3.

Not to excuse the defense, which was getting absolutely torched in the 2nd half... but our offense has consistently failed to compliment them. Yesterday was a whirlwind. They'd gash us down the field for a TD and you're like, ok what the fuck? Get to the sideline, regroup, figure some things out, grab a Gatora... DEFENSE! Back on the field!

Ultimately, the intention doesn't matter. Tanking for a high draft pick, keeping fans in the stands, thinking he knows better than the coach... whatever the reason is... fucking with the on-field decisions took us down a much worse path.

And potential future prospects for FO, coaches, and players are going to be influenced by that.

It’s also a lesson for this last generation of fans who have been spoiled by mostly two decades of success. Every high schooler and college kid who has been screaming to fire everyone. Yeah that doesn’t fix things. It has the opposite effect.

Spike 12-18-2022 02:58 PM

Just one last thought on this thread. Matt Ryan makes this Colts team almost unwatchable. He is terrible, worst QB we have had in decades.

Chromeburn 12-18-2022 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 254680)
Just one last thought on this thread. Matt Ryan makes this Colts team almost unwatchable. He is terrible, worst QB we have had in decades.

Yeah it’s pretty bad, I will say though that the offense is schematically crippled with a 30 year old play caller with no previous experience.

Spike 12-18-2022 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 254692)
Yeah it’s pretty bad, I will say though that the offense is schematically crippled with a 30 year old play caller with no previous experience.

While I agree, it's pretty hard to call plays with a hack like Ryan.

Discflinger 12-18-2022 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 254656)
Lost in all the ridiculousness was Dayo’s coming out party

While agreeing, his thug mentality also led to Minnesota’s first score.

CletusPyle 12-18-2022 03:31 PM

Unless major changes are made....Jacksonville is going to overtake us and I won't be surprised if the Texans get a lot better and the Colts finish 4th next season and maybe we have to get use to that?

IndyNorm 12-18-2022 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 254680)
Just one last thought on this thread. Matt Ryan makes this Colts team almost unwatchable. He is terrible, worst QB we have had in decades.

I'd like to know just how bad Foles must be in practice to not get a chance. Ryan, as you point out has been really bad, and Ehlinger showed that he's nowhere near ready.

IndyNorm 12-18-2022 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 254612)
If Reich lost the team Saturday sure as fuck hasn’t found it. The problem was the same as it is every year - expected dependence on rookies and bottom basement vets at critical positions. It’s happens every year under Ballard. Throw in everyone adjusting to a new QB again. The early season ends up being treated as tryouts while the team searches for combinations or enough rookie development to work. Reich hadn’t lost the team at 3-3-1, Irsay bowed down to fans screaming for Ehlinger and then when that didn’t work he finally gave in to the fans scapegoating Reich. Now they are even worse off.

Excellent points. All 3 things can be true: Reich lost the team, hiring Saturday mid season was really stupid, and Ballard does a shit job of filling team needs.

Hoopsdoc 12-18-2022 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 254646)
i like reich and think he was a good coach but this team wasn't playing for him

i don't know we could have kept him. that said we wouldn't have lost that game yesterday

What the heck has been different since Reichs been gone?

Nothing really changed that I can tell. The OLine may be marginally better but the offense overall is just as bad, if not worse.

Spike 12-18-2022 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 254697)
Unless major changes are made....Jacksonville is going to overtake us and I won't be surprised if the Texans get a lot better and the Colts finish 4th next season and maybe we have to get use to that?

Jags for sure. Watching the Cowgirls vs. Jags and Lawrence is becoming a damn good qb. Contrary to what Dam thinks. He is going to be a pain in our ass for a long time.

CletusPyle 12-18-2022 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 254714)
Jags for sure. Watching the Cowgirls vs. Jags and Lawrence is becoming a damn good qb. Contrary to what Dam thinks. He is going to be a pain in our ass for a long time.

I agree, and unless he gets a haircut, he's really going to piss me off doing it!:D

Colts And Orioles 12-18-2022 05:50 PM

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CletusPyle 12-18-2022 08:46 PM

Patriots just made everyone forget about the Colts debacle.....LOL!:D

Spike 12-18-2022 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 254777)
Patriots just made everyone forget about the Colts debacle.....LOL!:D

Unbelievable ending. LOL for sure!!!!!!!!

nate505 12-18-2022 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 254777)
Patriots just made everyone forget about the Colts debacle.....LOL!:D

Hahahaha, that was exactly my first thought too.

I mean, after laughing at the Patriots for the past 10 minutes. It happening to them was just the icing on the cake.

apballin 12-18-2022 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 254777)
Patriots just made everyone forget about the Colts debacle.....LOL!:D

That’s the worst play I’ve ever seen by far like how fuckin stupid can you be

omahacolt 12-19-2022 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 254707)
What the heck has been different since Reichs been gone?

Nothing really changed that I can tell. The OLine may be marginally better but the offense overall is just as bad, if not worse.

the oline is playing better.

thats about it. although it does seem like there is a bit more energy to start the games. but that is based on nothing measurable. just my perception

bigalbert 12-19-2022 04:26 PM

Vikings def stuck it in our @ss
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JAFF 12-19-2022 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bigalbert (Post 254855)
Vikings def stuck it in our @ss
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That is just WRONG

Dam8610 12-21-2022 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 254714)
Jags for sure. Watching the Cowgirls vs. Jags and Lawrence is becoming a damn good qb. Contrary to what Dam thinks. He is going to be a pain in our ass for a long time.

Nearly fumbled away the game, should've thrown a game losing INT, and only shows up when his team is down by 20+, but we should be afraid of this guy becoming a franchise QB? Let me know when he can read a defense or throw a receiver open.


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