And let’s be honest. Colts fans always want weapons. I have read numerous times this year where fans want a te in the first.

Well, women and Tom Brady love them some TE's.

Like Vita Vea did? Or Danny Shelton? Those “planet” DTs don’t provide 1st round value, especially in the Colts scheme. Even the really good ones like Snacks Harrison are only worth a mid to late round pick.

Again, Lawrence is more athletic than your traditional one dimensional run stopper. He has been able to rush the passer. And this is a specialist league. Guys that can do it all are at a premium. I would love Q Williams but we have no shot at him, I would love his teammate Wilkins. Doubt he is there either. We are ok Autry is light in the pants because he can rush the passer. But we will still have to face running teams in the playoffs. We have very little beef on the dline. The pats are going run heavy at the end of Brady’s career. Baltimore is going run heavy. League is constantly changing trying to find a edge. Offenses change, defenses adjust through scheme and personnel. Offenses change again. So yeah, an end of the round 1st on a big NT like him, I would rather have some other guys first, but if they aren’t there yeah I would be ok with him.

The best weapon is the one who gets the ball back to the offense.

Even though he provides more pass rush than other NTs, it doesn’t mean he isn’t still predominantly a two down player. In passing situations, he won’t be on the field, so he isn’t worth a 1st round pick in this scheme or in today’s NFL. That’s why I asked you whether he would play ahead of two among Autry/Hunt/Lewis/Ward on passing downs and you deflected.

Oh fuck off with that shit, I’m just trying to have a conversation.

Who would Lewis play ahead of on run downs of Sheard/Hunt/Lawrence/Autry?

Do talented NT’s go in the first round traditionally? Yes. So is he worth a first rounder? To most teams yes. Now the argument “he doesn’t fit this defense” is still largely subjective. Hunt, Lewis, and Woods all played in this D and have different styles, so is there a place for him? Certainly.

Isn't part of "having a conversation" answering fair questions, which you still haven't done?

As for your question, Lawrence would obviously play on run downs over Lewis; however, unlike what you are advocating, Lewis was not a 1st round pick. The Colts absolutely need 1 or 2 big bodies to play some A gap. Do they need to invest their most valuable offseason asset in order to meet that need? No.

:rolleyes: Everyone knows the answer to the question. He’s a run stopper first, just not a complete liability

It’s the 26 pick, not the Crown Jewels. And Lewis was picked a round later. Not that big a difference. Just being a 1st rounder doesn’t make it the end all. Depends on the draft which changes every year. Like those point systems they trot out for picks. Those aren’t accurate because the draft isn’t the same every year. A guy we’re picking will likely be rated a second round pick at 26. I doubt they have over 20 guys rated for the first round this draft. Colts should get the best player they can, hopefully it’s a defender. But Lawrence is a big DT and more athletic than any other NT that has come out in awhile. Guys like that don’t usually last too long even if they are devalued some now. You have a better chance of finding a good 3-tech with later picks than a player of Lawrence’s ability. He isn’t at the top of my list, but there are worse picks for me, like a receiver.

And we have three teams in the division trying to establish running games with big backs.

Fair enough. I think you can get Lawrence's value for a much cheaper price and I don't think this scheme values Lawrence's skill-set enough for them to have a high enough grade on him to take him at 26. I could be wrong on one or both counts.

I also don't think that stopping the run was a problem last year. The run defense was pretty solid. I'd much rather get upgrades at EDGE, 3T, SS, and yes, even WR.