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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 111853)

Shattering precedent? The Colts made Bob Sanders one of the highest paid safeties in the NFL.

Wasn't that like 10-15 years ago? I was talking about current existing precedent, based upon the info in the article I linked which addressed the current status of safeties in the NFL.

Also, with regard to Sanders, though I can't recall the terms of that particular contract, I'm guessing there were lots of escape hatches in that agreement due to Sanders' extreme injury history, so whatever the contract amount was I doubt he ever received close to what was reported in the media.

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 111850)

Thank you. As far as your first point is concerned, to be fair the RBs Gettleman drafted (Saquon Barkley and Christian McCaffrey) have worked out pretty well, so it's hard to fault him for those picks - particularly if he wasn't enamored with any of the available QBs in last year's draft. If the guy was making wild picks and reaching for players instead of taking obvious upgrades, then I'd place less weight in his decision making. So while I don't question that you're right that this decision comes from the GM, it doesn't really address my original question of whether the decision he made (not to tag Collins) causes any concern. From what I've read (and admittedly it's a fairly small amount of info - I knew next to nothing about Gettlemen until this thread was created), the guy isn't afraid to make unpopular decisions, but they are often proven right in retrospect. So I remain concerned about this.

As far as the importance of the safety position in our defense, I'll defer to you and others who are more knowledgeable than me about the X's and O's. I can accept that a good SS may be more valuable to us than to other teams, but that should mean that the other teams won't be willing to pay top dollar for him, and we should be able to get him more cheaply. Ultimately, it's really a question of how much to pay, rather than whether to sign him. Here's an article I came across when looking up Gettleman info which makes the observation that 7 of 8 best paid safeties are free safeties and that strong safeties are usually paid much less:

https://www.bigblueview.com/2019/3/6...dave-gettleman

So by paying Collins as one of the best paid safeties in the league, we'd be shattering precedent more than most realize. It bears noting that this sort of thing worked out pretty well when we drafted Nelson, of course.

The Giants are a dumpster fire and Gettleman's decisions over the last year are a big part of the reason why. If you're looking at decisions that have worked for him, try taking a look at that Nate Solder contract. There are also reports that Gettleman passed on a future 1st round pick offered last year for Collins. Simply letting him walk isn't justifiable.

I don't know what value Ballard will place on Collins. Maybe Ballard sees him as an $8-10MM/year player and won't overpay. Maybe the market is a little more suppressed and the Colts get him at a relative discount.

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 111853)

Shattering precedent? The Colts made Bob Sanders one of the highest paid safeties in the NFL.

technically there is a highest paid player at every position, every year.

updated list of safeties on the market... :cool:

Lamarcus Joyner
Tyrann Mathieu
Landon Collins
Tre Boston
Earl Thomas
Jonathan Cyprien
Tashaun Gipson
Adrian Amos
Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
Eric Weddle
Glover Quin
Jimmie Ward
Darian Stewart

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 111885)

Plus our own Clayton Geathers!

There are a huge number of quality safeties hitting the free agency market next week. I have zero double that Ballard will end up with what he wants out of the process to pair alongside Hooker as starters and for quality depth. He has all the tools needed between free agency and the draft to make the position group deep and good.

Go get 'em, Ballard! :)

Walk Worthy,

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 111885)

Ballard has said that he has a better feel for the type of player the coaches want for their schemes. I think a big portion of this decision comes down to Eberflus’s assessment of the type of SS he wants.

Cardinals just cut Antoine Bethea. :cool:

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 111885)

With that number, wouldn't this drive the prices down a bit?

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 111947)

With that number, wouldn't this drive the prices down a bit?

Maybe, but remember that some of these guys are scheme-specific, so the number of fits per team will vary.